(ThyBlackMan.com) How can Ron Paul, who counts among his supporters a sizable group of people who hope that his first act as president will be to reveal that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job, continue to draw significant poll numbers among Republican primary voters? American conservatives evade this question at their peril, because, while he probably cannot win the Republican nomination, Congressman Ron Paul does absorb the support of many genuine conservatives, who might, if properly engaged, be drawn to other candidates.
Ron Paul’s position in the race is unique in that he is the only person running whose presence makes everyone else in the process uncomfortable — candidates, voters, and media alike. As a result, when he is mentioned at all, it is generally to dismiss him, rather than to discuss his ideas. His supporters, therefore, feel marginalized, and understandably so. One can agree with Romney’s or Cain’s position on X or Y without worrying about being perceived as a Romney or Cain supporter. No one, on the other hand, wants to take the risk of being deemed an aPaulogist — that is to say, a radical, drugged out 9/11 truther who went to see Atlas Shrugged five times.
The other thing that is striking about the true a Paulogists — as opposed to some old-line conservatives (e.g., John Derbyshire at National Review) who simply appreciate Ron Paul’s constitutionalist views on the role of the federal government — is that, unlike the supporters of other candidates, they will have no truck with the civility of declaring their willingness, in the end, to support any Republican nominee against President Obama. They are for Paul — and only Paul. There is a general perception that the aPaulogists think of their man as the only elected official standing between them and the black helicopters. In other words, they vaguely sense — or, in some cases, explicitly state — that all the other Republican candidates are Trilateral Commission plants, and hence that accepting any of them as one’s eventual representative would mean voluntarily boarding the FEMA Camp Express. Paul’s appeal with such voters cannot be denied, nor can it be thoroughly detached from his policy positions, since part of any honest analysis of his campaign must include his deliberate cultivation of this part of his support base. On the other hand, the assumption that his voters en masse represent a lunatic fringe, and hence that his appeal with them constitutes de facto evidence against him, is more politically expedient than it is rational.
So it is time to come out of the tall grass on the issue of Ron Paul and to assess him and his ideas exactly as one would judge any other candidate. This serves two purposes: by establishing a good-faith relationship to his campaign, one is less easily dismissed by his thoughtful supporters as just another defender of the Washington establishment, and by approaching his shortcomings from a collegial position, it might be possible to engage his honorable supporters in a reasoning process that will lead them to reconsider their rejection of other conservative candidates.
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Because we still have some semblance of free speech, I am happy to be able to express my opinion. And as a commenter on this article, I can offer opinion. However, this article was primarily a statement of opinion, and rather inaccurate in every way. It could have been journalistic but apparently is nothing more than plagiarized opinion.
I freely admit that I support Ron Paul. Certainly the best choice in the coming election. My support for him is not blind. It is not shallow, or based on anything other than a careful evaluation of his consistency and character.
Ron Paul is not charismatic. His supporters are less interested in charisma than in character. On that score he is the best. For decades, at election time, we have had to choose the lessor of two evils. So in every case we have elected someone who was more or less evil.
Now for the first time I can remember, we are facing the possibility of actually voting for good.
We have come to a crossroad in history. If we do not change things now, we will continue on a path toward destruction. And destruction will be the result.
Non-interventionism is quite different from isolationism. Let’s get that straight. Our country has bankrupted itself with a policy of military imperialism. This is 180 degrees from anything which made us a great country in the past.
The sooner we wake up from this delusion, the better. Right now the hidden elite is pushing and manipulating the world into world war. It is to their benefit to do so.
We so freely use the word “terrorism” to frighten our people, when in fact the true terrorists are those you use military robot drones against civilians in foreign lands. Our government sends the best of our young people into foreign lands to kill and be killed to deliver freedom, so they say. But they are used to guard the poppy fields to enrich the profits of banks and corporations. We destroy countries, leaving a sprinkling of depleted uranium which will harm generations of human beings yet unborn.
And yet somehow we are able to justify these crimes against humanity with hatred and slogans and chants. Yet when some true leader dares to say that this is not making us safer or gaining us any friends in the world, he is attacked by articles such as this drivel.
We are concerned about global warming, but care nothing about the warming which will be caused when we manipulate the world in a nuclear war.
We act as if we are opposed to suicide bombers. But we are far worse. At least a suicide bomber sacrifices his life for something he believes in. Not that I support the practice. But our leaders and those cowards behind them in the shadows are willing to sacrifice the lives only of others in the suicidal pursuit of World War which is designed only to enhance their power and control.
It is time for a real change. Not the con job of politicians who only promise change as a campaign strategy. It is time to elect Ron Paul.
“it might be possible to engage his honorable supporters in a reasoning process that will lead them to reconsider their rejection of other conservative candidates.”
-no. sorry establishment stooges.
but please, try to enlighten us, it shows how desperate you are becoming in the face of dr. paul’s growing support.
I know Arthur didn’t write this. Its your opinion he will not get the nomination? Keep it to yourself. Your suppose to report about it, No one cares about your opinion. Good or bad, its irrelevant. All Paul has to do is take down a Mormon and a Adulterer..
“aPaulogists”
Ah no sir. That is a truly horrific pun. We do however take an interest in paulitics.
Pauls appeal stems from one foundation, Liberty. The foundation is based on the cornerstone of the Constitution. Yeah, there is a fringe element in there. They are focused on one aspect of a loss of liberty, the big government boogyman. We can debate all night whether government is too big and too all-encompasing (it is), but to try and pigion hole all of us simply won’t work. Instead of a clinical chart of our “demographic”, what you are actually seeing is the beginning of a broad base appeal. This appeal is being generated by a truly original and unapaulagetic statesman as opposed to the R-clone and D-clones we are saddled with daily.
Here is your choice: More of the same, or Ron Paul.
I’m not Ron Paul and I have no idea if he would approve of this message.
Even though I have problems with his foreign policy, I think I’m gonna vote for Ron Paul. He’s the most consistent and fiscally responsible candidate by far. To all Republican voters: Please don’t elect Newt… Please.
http://www.whatthehellbook.com/the-book/
This is the latest lefty feint against Paul. Try, try to marginalize him because someone strange supports him. Ignore the fact that it is illogical, just go with it. After all, if some brain-damaged weirdo who thinks flying saucers write secret messages on his wall that only he can read, Ron Paul must be a weirdo, too. It’s the same kind of silliness that blames the Beatles for the acts of Charles Manson. If any of Paul’s supporters have quirks, they must all be crazy. That makes sense, right?
If that fails, go to fear mongering. Why Paul actually believes we should mind our own business. If we do that, nuclear destruction is sure to follow. Everybody knows that. We need to continually kill innocent people via collateral damage and involve ourselves in the internal affairs of every nation in the world in case they have bad thoughts about us. If we don’t, we’re doomed.
Come on. Do better. Let’s see a real hatchet job from you. I bet you can do it if you try.
I’m 27, graduated with a Business degree, and also came to many of the same conclusions Paul has before I even heard about his stance on the issues. To claim that every Paul supporter believes in conspiracy is really a big put-off to me taking your opinions more seriously, not to say that you don’t make any. Just don’t stereotype people who believe in Paul as being extreme. Unless thinking for yourself is an extreme these days.
Some people will seek the truth –
while others are content with lies
thank god i live in a part of this country where i don’t have to lock my doors and if someone wants to do harm to my family can be shot and dragged into the woods for the worms to eat. ron paul 2012
Soon it will be donations that exceed $1 million at this time in this latest money bomb. Finally, people are debating RON PAUL issues instead of ignoring him despite the ignorance of the mainstream media. The American people are really thinking and talking this upcoming election through! This is exciting! I believe many people are ignoring what the mainstream media wants the masses to go. The truth is finally coming out despite the deterrents. I am excited!
Wow! Even after being a couple of commentators pointing out that this is a complete reprint of an essay, at http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/ron_paul_why_not.html, it remains unattributed.
This would get you kicked out of school for plagiarism.
I very much enjoyed your article. I am a Ron Paul supporter. in this article i can plainly see if you are or arent. and i have to say, that is a PERFECT display at NON BIASED journalism. whether you are or are not an RP supporter, you seem to just put the information out there. i do not agree with all your opinions, but all are of sound meaning and are from an intellectual realist point of view.
too bad you can rub of on FOX news and some others
Hah OWS is not against capitalism, it is against corporatism- that is the only universal sentiment in the entire movement. You cannot think for a second Ron Paul has not been a leading voice against corporatism.
Oh, and now that I see you plagiarized this article, I withdraw all my comments. You can’t answer them if you did not develop the ideas. Sad!
While the part about Ron Paul’s foreign policy is to treat the issues between the US and Iran with peaceful diplomacy and free trade, aka being nicer, rather than by intimidation and sanctions is a misconception that such a policy attempts to, in any way, imply that the acquisition of nuclear arms by Iran should be something the US shouldn’t “fret” about. Rather, it is a mentality that someone with a weapon is far less likely to harm a friend than it would an enemy. The dangers of provoking an enemy to pursue arms against us is something that the US government’s current foreign policy completely ignores. Peace in Vietnam for example was not achieved by our occupation in that land but rather after military removal and diplomacy commenced.
University of Chicago Professor Robert Pape has studied extensively the cause of suicide terrorism and concluded that over 95% of the motivation behind these deadly attacks is due to foreign occupation. The positioning of the US military to forcibly pressure Iran into doing what currently policy makers want is the same as pouring gasoline onto a fire with the mindset that it will act the same as water.
Actually using some of our current 12,000 diplomats to make friendship with Iran is not a crazy idea. Continuing talks and making it clear to Iran that if their pursuit of self-defense results in actual harm to the US in anyway or the discovery of the attempt of harm to the US may result in the complete obliteration of Iran, that is the real so-called “wouldn’t need to fret” position Ron Paul’s foreign policy takes.
Such is a far cry from the mislabeled “isolationist” foreign policy of Dr. Paul. It is instead a non-interventionist policy that can be summed up as being a “we’re not going to tell you what to do, but if we ever find out that your country commits harm to us, tries to commit harm to us or cannot account for any of their nuclear capabilities that results in any actual or attempted harm, then don’t say we didn’t give you a chance before we turn all of that sand into glass” kind of policy.
It does NOT turn a blind eye to a perceived threat. That is the most mislabeled and misunderstood part of Ron Paul’s or anyone’s non-interventionist foreign policy. In actuality it openly and actively addresses the issues at hand but WITHOUT provocation.
It truly is a disservice toward the truth of such a policy to imply that, at it’s core, is equal to turning a blind eye. Agree with non-interventionist policy or not, it is imperative to get the facts correct when making an opinion on it. And, the facts of this issue have been misrepresented too often by too many an obtuse mind. http://whyronpaul.com/
Ron Paul’s foreign policy is what this country needs. University of Chicago professor Robert Pape’s studies have shown that over 95% of ALL suicide terrorist attacks are because of FOREIGN OCCUPATION!!
Why is it necessary to characterize Ron Paul supporters in this way? I am not a truther, nor am I drugged out, nor have I even seen Atlas Shrugged. This is divisive and not helpful, and doesn’t describe any Ron Paul supporter I know. I have been following ThyBlackMan for a while (even tho I’m ThyWhiteWoman) because of your consistently rational arguments, but now you’ve lost me.
Ron Paul supporters do not support other candidates because they are so different from Ron Paul’s ideas. Obama has done so much quantitative damage to this country that I would vote for Ron Paul over him, but in contrast, ALL of the other GOP candidates would do as much or MORE damage than Obama, and thus I would not vote for them either. If not Ron Paul, then NO ONE. I won’t vote.
Please take the time to logically assess his policies and logically view his supporters instead of attacking them!
Very thorough and well articulated article. I’ve appreciated and enjoyed it.
I would like to voice my own disagreement with your personal beliefs on US foreign policy. I don’t share the a priori assumptions you promote, that a modern world of technology requires US global militarism, nor that Paul suggests returning to “old style isolationism.” Of course there is no returning to the foreign policy of 1912, such a suggestion is an imaginary concept, today’s world is vastly different as we all know. I view Paul’s desire to return to non-interventionism as a step forward, a wise advancement into the future rather than a return to the past. Imagine the beneficial possibilities.
Our more recent foreign policy has likely been both positive and negative. Just because we focus on “improvements” from what we have done it does not necessitate that the same is the proper choice for what we must do tomorrow. We are allowed to make changes as we see fit. Why not accept satisfaction with the changes we promoted around the world and now choose to reposition ourselves. Might we promote peace by example, focus on improving the homeland, restore liberty, enjoy more fruitful lives while preventing economic calamity or even own country’s collapse, perhaps?
1. You copy the article verbatim from: “http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/ron_paul_why_not.html” and you do not even credit the original author. In the real world this is plagiarism.
2. 9/11 inside job? I am sorry… do you watch the news or just Fox? When did he say 9/11 inside job? How about you read the article before you copy and paste it.
3. Arthur Lewin – your staff – makes better points:
https://thyblackman.com/2011/10/10/ron-paul-vs-barack-obama/
(but there are a few spelling mistakes)
4. “while he probably cannot win the Republican nomination.” Please resign from journalism when you are proven wrong. We rely upon you journalists to present facts, not your opinion as facts.
5. Again since you did not reference the original author or the original website – you can either say you are not responsible for this character assassination and take this inflammatory piece down or well… face liability. I thought journalists had integrity.
6. Dec 7/11. This analysis is a little too late btw – now that the MSM is somewhat acknowledging R Paul.
7. Since when did Israel become America’s 51st state? Since when was America required to protect a nation with 300 nukes against nations that are going through internal strikes?
8. CIA trained the TALIBAN. please understand this. CIA – Americans trained the present terrorists.
9. Michele Bachmann does not believe in Gay rights, believes that vaccines cause mental issues (without any scientific support of course)
10. The others – let’s see: support the Patriot Act. Gingrich has no ethics, no morals- I dont care if he worked with Democrats, but I care if he accepted money from Freddie Mae. Romney… he is hiding. Perry is memorizing the 3 departments. Cain is apologizing to his family. Santorum is in Iowa clinging to hope. The only other one is Huntsman who is intelligent – but clearly America apparently needs idiots, not intelligent leaders.
* side note about Huntsman – wasn’t America about separation of church and state – funny how no one will let the Mormon thing go? And we go around preaching to Islamic nations and China. And if we are all good Christians – I am pretty sure Jesus was against all prejudice.
11. There is NO proof with any of your sensationalist claims. Not a single validated proof. This piece is just argumentum ad hominem.
12. Sure Paul has some fringe ideas – but America has more than one legislative branch to control laws. There is Congress. As for the fringe ideas – has anyone even analyzed them. I don’t mean that Oh Israel will die if Paul gets elected, but more like hey… maybe we will save 1 Trillion? Any cost analysis? Any rational argument instead of labelling his ideas as nutty/fringe/crazy?
13. Did Obama apologize for his reverend? I did not hold Obama responsible for his reverend’s opinions – why is everyone holding Ron Paul responsible for the nuts who are supporting/sabotaging him?
14. I am appalled at people who say that this is a legitimate criticism. People learn to Google. If the MSM is blocking access – there are blogs, there are youtube videos, there are forums. Learn to make your opinion, not be spoon fed tribe.
15. It is Obama vs. Paul. Obama because a small part of me still believes Yes we can and Paul because hell man… integrity has to mean something.
16. Please print a retraction, and source the original author. You are not helping any cause by plagiarizing a sensationalist piece. This piece goes against your motto: “Brotherhood at its best.” It has all the indications of ‘at its worst.’
OWS: anti-capitalist movement? Not so much. It’s an anti-SYSTEM movement. There is plenty of ire to go around all ways. Plus the system that they are protesting is pretty far from capitalism. It’s a public/private debt enslavement machine. Debt to subsidize increasingly worthless college degrees, debt to purchase material objects made in China for the latest diluted holiday, debt to buy a car/house/motorcycle/vacation on an inflated cost due to debt. Please explain to me how the government outsourcing the food stamps/SNAP program for JP Morgan to service is capitalist (as they outsource the SNAP customer service call center to India)?
Foreign Policy: “And when he cites the propaganda of those who would, if they could, kill or enslave every citizen of every free country on Earth as evidence of the negative effects of recent American policy, he sounds worse.”
Translates easily to 6 one syllable words: “They hate us cuz we’re free!”
Your description into this topic totally ignores the blowback we face for funding programs, pseudo-governments and dictators throughout the world, then knocking them off when it’s politically expedient. We supplied the weapons and funds to the Taliban in the 1980’s to give the mujihadeen a leg up in fighting the Soviets. When that party was over they had all the tools they needed to “occupy” their own country. That being said, why don’t we touch on the fact that the Karzai government is not only just as theocratic, corrupt and dependent on the Afghanistan narco-state as the Taliban ever was, but we also funnel billions into the reconstruction and military funding of another regime soon-to-be deposed by the people who despise it. I’m not looking forward to my kids or their kids having to re-invade that country to depose the “brutal Karzai regime” for “humanitarian purposes”. Too bad American memories are much shorter than those “who would, if they could, kill or enslave every citizen of every free country on Earth.”
Regardless of my disagreements, this is an excellent article. It’s refreshing to see his ideas debated vs. ignored.
phone.ronpaul2012.com
How pathetic! I’m so sick of these generalizations of us as Ayn Rand worshipping, 9/11 truther, Atlas Shrugged obsessed (whatever that is?)pro-drug single issue, supporters. Thyblackman, I voted for the most powerful black man in this country and he has not lived up to his promises. We support Ron Paul because of his integrity, why should he have to answer for that? Maybe Obama should answer to why Gitmo is still open, or why he has stepped up efforts to prosecute medical marijuana, or why he has continued these wars?
Ron Paul is not a 9/11 Truther. He has stated that the foreign policy of the United States, in conjunction with other factors, led to the attacks on 9/11. This is almost as disgusting an accusation as saying that “Paul thinks 9/11 was America’s fault.” These are blatant lies. The only reason that some people support the other candidates’ positions on foreign policy (sanctions and war) is because the media has been fueling a fire of fear.
first the cons:
the 99%; OWS is against the Corrupt crony capitalism. you know it, we all know it, this gov is bought!
who went to jail for crashing the economy? no one. fix it.
Israel; the 800# elephant anyone? why does everything we do have to be approved by them? just what is up with that, really? bought and owned us much?
aPaulogists; really!? the US has not been the great satan for how many years? colonialism, assassinations, overthrowing governments, puppet states..? i know, that is how foreign policy is run now-a-days. doesn’t make it right.
there may be some feel good outcomes of taking over another country and saying it is benefitting democracy but really, is that why we went?
no corporations benefitted? no banking system enjoyed the whole mess?
any of those other countries not in the IMF? oh wait, all of them were not.
seems that is the target then. check.
Pros:
good on all of them except note; taxes, no, he supports eliminating income tax, not some flat or fair tax. no tax.
another note; other candidates may say something to please the crowds at any one time.
RP says his message all the time, votes it, lives it.
if you hear his message, not some pundits rehash, you may understand it.
look that up on your intertubes
You lost me at “drugged out 9/11 truther.”
As far as I’m concerned you have to be a brain dead moron to not see the pure bull$hit the government is slinging about 9/11. You make me sick.
FINAL CALL:
Ron Paul is our final HOPE for America! I truly believe we are blessed to even have another chance to turn this country into what it used to do a long time ago….follow the Constitution. I supported Ron Paul in 2008 and I thought when he lost then that it was all over for the USA. Well, many people now know it is THAT CLOSE to the end for us and I hope everyone wakes up and sees the truth about these candidates…..a complete mess of self-interests EXCEPT for RON PAUL who is truly interested in each and everyone of us to truly experience freedom like none of us have ever enjoyed before. I truly believe this is our last chance if the USA remains intact by next year. RON PAUL 2012
I think you on every criticism you had of him, you were simply misunderstanding his stance.
1)The “99%.”
He’s only said that he “sympathizes” with many of them and really speaks more for those who are protesting the fed, but has said he has nothing to do with the ones that are demanding the end of capitalism. Furthermore, your assessment of the OWS movement as simply anti-capitalist is similar to the left’s assessment of the Tea Party movement as being anti-black president. OWS is a VERY diverse group of people, many of which have serious complaints about the fed.
2)Israel
There’s a current article written by the Atlantic – http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/ron-paul-zionist/249532/
In this article, the writer describes Ron Paul as actually being a Zionist! He defines him as that because he believes in the two primary, original principles of Zionism – and that is 1) Israel has a right to exist and 2) Israel has the right of self-determination. Ron Paul simply wants us to get out of their way and let them handle their own business.
You also make the argument that Israel may not have survived if not for our intervention. If you’re going to make that argument, then let’s go back even further – Israel arguably may not have even become a state in the first place if not for interventionism.
3)aPaulogists – Of course he has a lot of nuts that like him – he’s truly anti-establishment. You’re not going to have nuts supporting an establishment candidate in the first place so it only makes sense that they go to Ron Paul’s camp. But, don’t just overlook this fact. For the reasons he attracts so many nuts is the same reason he attracts so many independents, democrats, and republicans. He has a broad message that spits in the face of tyranny and the use of force. Just because he has a few loud nut jobs running around screaming “RON PAUL 2012!!!” doesn’t mean they’re all like that. They’re simply the ones that get the attention.
I do thank you for a civil critique of the candidate, but I ask that you reconsider some of those stances. If you want to critique him, critique him on his immigration stance and his abortion stance…I think those are his biggest head-scratchers.
This is one of the more honest and insightful analyses of Ron Paul that I’ve seen out there. I’m saying this as a Ron Paul supporter and campaign volunteer myself.
To other Paul supporters: please do not ignore meaningful and thoughtful criticism. This only furthers the “cult” image Paul supporters are painted with in wider society, and it closes your mind to real problems the same way many people’s minds are closed to problems dealing with the nature of how we do government. I don’t agree with everything the article suggests, but it is representative of some of the misgivings many conservatives are going to have with Paul.
Foreign policy will continue to be a hobgoblin for any non-interventionist platform for the foreseeable future because we have constantly intervened in the world’s affairs since WWII, and most people are going to see this as absolutely necessary. I think the folly in this is that it discounts the pacifying effects of economic interdependence, and downplays the radicalizing effects of foreign powers meddling in unstable regions, but many people are just not going to see it this way unless we listen to them and allay their fears and explain why trade will accomplish more for peace and stability globally than any deployment of military forces.
Ron Paul himself, as much as I admire and respect the man, does not do a particularly good job of articulating the case for liberty and peace to those who are not already inclined to agree with him on such things. He makes good points if you pay attention, but most people are going to dismiss him because it’s much easier than dealing with him honestly. And many listeners still will not agree with everything the man says. It’s up to the rest of us to carefully and actively listen to real problems people have with these stances and answer their criticisms intelligently.
I truly hope that Paul does well in the primaries, if for no other reason than that it will force people to start taking consitutionalism, libertarianism, and non-interventionism seriously. Once these ideas begin to spread out of the “looney” fringe, I believe their compelling virtues, coupled with the likely continued failure of flawed policies, will cause them to spread like wildfire.
I am a Ron Paul Supporter. Great article. I’m still a supporter but I love how you broke everything down. I disagree with your conclusion but I can’t disagree on the facts. Regarding OWS, I was hoping Paul wouldn’t take their side, just because it would look bad for him as it’s simply glaring taboo for a republican to express sympathy to a (on some level) anti capitalist movement. But what do you expect from paul? He’s very outspoken. So I wasn’t shocked when he expressed his understanding of the OWSers but I know for certain, as it’s undeniable, that he wouldn’t ever SUPPORT an anti-capitalist movement. Having followed Ron Paul for a long time, I see why he chose to acknowledge (don’t mistake acknowledge for SUPPORT) the OWSers as they are fighting a symptom but not the actual problem we are having and are very misled as to who the culprit is; it’s not capitalism and not even wallstreet but the problem is much deeper and more fundamental than that.
As far as Israel is concerned. I am no pundit, but the way I see it, they are our Ally but I do think they can take care of themselves. So, we get out of there and if they need us and things get really bad then we DECLARE war on whichever country it is – we don’t just indefinitely occupy a country that doesn’t need it. Israel has a huge military, every one is in it, even the women. It’s like we are hospice to a completely healthy country, we don’t need to be there as far as I gather. We should be quick to lend a hand to our allies in times of great need, but not so quick to occupy every moment things seem uncomfortable. We shouldn’t be policing the world, and although Paul’s ideas on our foreign policy “contributing” (and I quote) to the 9/11 attacks – he did say the same thing about our foreign policy BEFORE the 9/11 attacks even happened. So, he’s sticking to his guns – again, what do you expect?
I don’t really think the GOP can do better. Ron Paul 2012. 🙂
Paul shouldn’t have to answer for some outlandish supporters as much as I have to. I don’t believe at all our government was behind 9/11 and simply want a sane law abiding government back, but the hell should Paul or I have to answer for them? Your rational makes no sense.
I or he don’t even know or care about their justications! All I know is, they are as a group more pro-Constitution, Liberty loving, and less of a threat than the neo-conservative movement who is constantly saber rattling and prefers military adventurism, American power expansion, than going after terrorist and Al-Queda members. Yes they use it for justification, but its clear what they really want with PNAC and their writings.
Please attribute this to its original author, Dr. Daren Jonescu, who published for American Thinker here: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/ron_paul_why_not.html
If you want to see how U.S. Foreign policy really works then watch this video. It is lengthy but very eye opening! Wouldn’t hurt to pass it around to those who watch too much Fox News..lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsklAg-To4
A rational, civilized anti-Paul article is rare and nice to find. I don’t agree with it’s anti-Paul sentiment, but that doesn’t matter. People are entitled to their positions and this author articulated their reasons in the matter. It sure beats the dismissive approach of other media sources.
Thank you so much for your in depth, accurate and unbiased analysis- we need more people like you in our media. I will echo the former “If not Ron Paul then who?” We do not live in a system where our leaders are required to best their opponents based on their personal rational perspective and interpretation of our Constitution. Sometimes there is no completely right or wrong answer. However, he is the ONLY candidate that isnn’t completely full of BS, lobbyist funds, and narcissitic tendencies simply grabbing the pulpit for self-promotion (Cain Train, Trump, Newty). Our nation is on a crash course, plain and simple. Why do WE have to police the world right this second? The nazis are dead and imperial Japan doesn’t even have a row boat. WHY does Israel DESERVE to exist at the sole detriment of the Iranian people? (they are all NOT who their leaders are) Why are we responsible for the civil liberties and personal freedoms of the Afghans? Why are we responsible for breaking up the fight on the 58th parallel? (If we are truley champions of freedom, liberty and equality, let the South Koreans finally defeat the DPRK and the farce of the JuChe principles and let them reunite their OWN people). Our country and the ENTIRE WORLD is primarily operating in the shadows and post climax of WWII. It’s time to stop playing Team America World Police, APOLOGIZE to all the BS we’ve pulled and the people we’ve kept down, bow out gracefully, secure the borders and let everybody else with grievances slug it out on their own turf.
Why are our “Free Markets” and our Government completely dependent on our “Central ‘Independent’ Bank” (tarp, twist, talf, QE 1&2)?
Why is our tax code 29,000 pages long?
Why are we feeding 47 million Americans (food stamps) and paying people not to work (2 yrs unemployment)?
I could go on and on. But I already know the answer- Because everyone is too scared to derail the status quo. Because some people aren’t fit to live in a free society. Because some people would rather beg than work. Because some people like taking orders better than thinking. OK, I’m done venting.
I’d appreciate your insight.
Please stop coming to this website. The only reason that ThyBlackman.com has any traction is one of two items, Lil Wayne and Ron Paul, and the articles about Ron Paul is the main reason that people visit her.
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It is a great gimmick to bring an obscure website traffic it never had before.
If we ignore it for now, it will sink back into the obscurity it deserves.
But that is just my opinion.
Excellent article, but you’re wrong on viewing Ron Paul’s foreign policy as wrong headed. It’s easy to just focus on current foreign policy issues (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan). The problem is when you study what caused the current wars in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan you see that American intervention caused each one.
In the 1950s America intervened in Iran and installed the Shaw which angered the Iranians which led to the Iranian hostage crisis in the 1970s. With Iran now the bad guy America intervened in Iraq and armed Saddam Hussein to keep Iran in check which led to the Iraq war. In 2011 now were contemplating a war with Iran.
In the 1980s America intervened in Afghanistan and armed the mujaheddin rebels against the Russian which led to Osama bin Laden which led to 9/11 which led to the Afghanistan war.
We’ve protected Israel since its creation in 1948 after WWII, and have been arming them and their neighbors. In the 1967 Arab-Israeli War between Israel and Egypt, Jordan, and Syria, Israel was victorious and took control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. Israel has proven it can take care of itself. When do we stop arming them and stop arming their neighbors and allow them to be their own country ?
Ron Paul is well documented on saying he DOES NOT believe 911 was an inside job but says it is a consequence of bad foreign policy that spans decades.
If you care to see how our foreign policy really works then you should watch this video. It is lengthy but very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPsklAg-To4
Your column has problems in logical flow.
For one, you paint Ron Paul’s supporters with a broad brush of Truthers and “black helicopter” types, but then you go on to correctly outline what we’re REALLY concerned about — the loss of freedom in the USA. Things like the TSA, assassination of American citizens, declaring the “homeland” as a battlefield where the military can detain American citizens indefinitely without habeas corpus are what really concern us. The people who ignore these things are the kinds of people like the Germans after WWII who said “Huh? We didn’t know that was going on” (in German). We’re fighting for our civil rights — geez, where have I heard that before?
Relative to OWS, Ron Paul is effectively saying “you’ve got the WHAT right, but you’re missing the WHY.” There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and it is somewhat because of crony-capitalism, but that’s not the main reason. The main reason is the Federal Reserve.
If you printed money in your basement, you’d get the most benefit from it. You could spend it at its full value because the bigger economy hasn’t figured out that more currency has been injected into the money supply. Your friends whom you bought things from would also greatly benefit. The people who’d lose would be those who hold dollars. THAT’S WHY THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T LET YOU PRINT MONEY.
The same thing happens during “legal” counterfeiting. When the Fed prints money, the first people who have access to it at the below-market interest rates are the rich. They can borrow large amounts of money at cheap interest rates. They can put the money into things like the stock market, real estate, etc. — things that will generally keep up with inflation. The poor and middle class have no choice but to watch their dollars devalue and the gap between rich and poor increase.
When enough money is being printed and being placed into assets, it can spark a “speculation bubble” like we saw with the housing bubble, and the dot-com bubble before it. This is why the Federal Reserve HAS to be ended to stop the distortions and malinvestments.
We “aPaulogists” won’t support the other Republican candidates, because THEY DON’T “GET IT.” We aren’t voting for Paul because of his magnetic personality. We’re voting for him because his principles match ours. To change to one of the other bots would betray ourselves and our principles; that would truly be a wasted vote.
Ron Paul does not pander to the 99%. He says their movement is healthy as an exercise of free speech. He supports them, as he does everyone else, by attacking the cause: our interventionist monetary policy. Conservatives and liberals alike continually try to address the symptoms, and not the source. Free market capitalism is the solution, not crony capitalism, socialism, or communism.
The only “Single-issue-based support” people the in Paul camp are generally the Democrats that have switched. Once again… GENERALLY. Writers of these blogs tend to over generalize things and have no “writer’s integrity”.
Let’s make something clear: Ron Paul is not a 9/11 “truther”, and has never, ever made any claim that 9/11 was an “inside job”. Nor does he apologize for anything. He simply states the objective fact – reported by our own intelligence community – that our foreign policy generates a lot of “blowback”. The more we interfere abroad, the more enemies we make for ourselves, and the less safe we are. It is counterproductive and creates more problems than it solves.
“And when he cites the propaganda of those who would, if they could, kill or enslave every citizen of every free country on Earth as evidence of the negative effects of recent American policy, he sounds worse.”
When I was younger, I had a Palestinian friend whom I’ve now lost touch with. He told me a story of when he was six, an Israeli bomb was dropped nearby, and it collapsed the roof of his house. His friend was staying with him that night, and he watched as his friend bled out because his legs were dismembered in the blast.
I don’t know what has become of him, but in knowing his story, I understand why the way the world works a little better. To think people commit violence because they ‘hate your freedom’ is absurd, and if you truly believe that, you need to reevaluate your objectivity.
Ron Paul WILL win the Republican nomination, and he WILL beat Obama. Mark my words, Ron Paul WILL be our next president.
President Ron Paul, 2012!!!!
I stopped reading after the first sentence, this writer is obviously misinformed and has no journalistic integrity…
Dr. Paul is an honest and principled man. He can’t defend every single person who supports him. He only needs to defend himself and his ideas. Which he does.
Not sure what the 9/11 stuff is about. The real story is what has happened to our rights as a result after, of which is documented history.
But outside that, understanding Ron Paul basically boils down to the basic human ability to put yourself on the other side of things.
If China was bombing us and trying to decide what type of government we have, do you think we are going to be happy or mad at China?
Do you think we will care if China says it’s because out government is dangerous to them?
Do you think we will care if China says it’s because need regime change?
So why is it to so hard to understand that people get upset when we do it to them?
It’s not that hard.
And you say it’s impossible to go back to the foreign policy of 1912. Why not? We have went back to the foreign policies of the 1400’s, and probably even further back in time than that. Over and Over countries have made these mistakes. Ever heard of the Roman Empire? You know, they over-extended themselves via miliatary, ended up with a corrupt government and went bankrupt?
The foreign policy of Ron Paul comes from the lessons learned from history, which I have news for you, is older than 100 years.
Horrible article, no wonder it’s authored by “staff”, nobody wants to put their name on it.
PS: You are not witty by using the word “Paul” in your words to describe people. Well, unless you are in the 3rd grade.
Sigh. I quit reading your article after the first sentence.
I just wanted to add in contrast to what the article says about ron paul supporters, look at newt gingrich the man obviously have a problem being ethical. so what does that say about his supporters? it says to me that they are misinformed, too lazy to do the research for themselves, or just blind sheep following the flock of desperate people looking for answers in all the wrong places. God bless ron paul
ron paul is a man of integrity. if you look at his life you are in awe by his accomplishments anyone who states that he is not presidential material is very ignorant or just plain simple minded.
If not Ron Paul then who???! We will never get perfection but he exceeds the rest of the current GOP field by leaps and bounds.