(ThyBlackMan.com) This week my attention was once more drawn to the upcoming James Brown movie and it’s saga. Much was made of the sacking of Spike Lee late last year, but there was one aspect overlooked.
Lee had been on board with the project for years and had according to Eddie Murphy written “a great, great piece. I wish it could come together. It has everything and his story is incredible. Imagine how incredible Ray Charles’ story was — and he’s at the piano. James Brown is doing splits and running and jump off the wall. Angel dust. Shooting out tires. James’ shit is bananas.”
Sadly we will never get to see this “great piece” as Spike Lee has been replaced by movie director Tate Taylor. According to movie Producer Brian Grazer this was because new people came on board that year.
Now, one of the most important faces to step on board is a certain British singer and performer called Mick Jagger from a band called The Rolling Stones. As he is now co-producer and finances most of the project he has a lot of say so. Certainly according to Grazer “Mick is so amazing. For him to decide he’s going to participate and split half the money” – which makes it sound more like going to a restaurant and sharing a burger then making a movie, but hey.
This makes me wonder if the outspoken Lee might have got of on the wrong foot with the Rolling Stone and questioned his involvement in the movie.
The excuse Grazer gives for the sacking of Lee is certainly laughable: “The world was different then. Now you have to make movies for less money.” Considering most of Lee’s movies were either low budget or crowd funded if anyone could make it work for less money it was Spike Lee.
Naturally the black community was upset that once again a black icon had to be seen through white eyes in a movie. Especially when those eyes had directed the questionable “The Help” before (incidentally a story about a white woman trying to write the story of black folk, written by a white woman trying to write a story about black folk.) Why not have a true story about an Afro-American created and directed by an Afro-American.
A lot of black film director try to put films out, but they really can’t get out what they want unless they do a Tyler Perry. Robert Townsend, the Hundlin Brothers, Keenen Wayans, Bill Duke, Rusty Cundieff, ect are still around, they just can’t get what they want out in theatres. That’s why a lot of them do straight to DVD’s now. Or they make YouTube pilots and hope crowd sourcing can get them to get a full series/movie. Something Spike Lee has done this month.
Grazer doesn’t think a black writer and director is necessary: “Mick and I don’t see the world that way. I started my career making Boomerang and CB4. I’ve made so many movies where I’ve supported black artists. Tate made The Help, and that had almost an entirely black population. I just want to try to make the best movie.” So a black director isn’t “the best”, then?
Are Grazer, Jagger and Taylor right for the movie? Time will tell. It is clear they will never understand the struggle Brown went through and leave out key moments that mean a lot to the black community. Sadly Jagger might be the worst producer for the movie, as he never understood the true struggle black artist had to go through.
Mick Jagger might have been a fan of James Brown (he was once scared to go onstage after Brown had performed before him) and love black music (judging from some playlists he gave to Rolling Stone he still does.) But after fifty years he still doesn’t doesn’t understand them or soul. He felt part of the blues scene, but never truly became part. These days he often performs with white artists who play Blues Stones style instead of original black performers.
This seems typical with a change in Mick Jagger’s attitude over the last few years. Him feeling as if he can “better” things done by black artists. Or maybe not even in the last few years. He always seemed to feel that he had made the black musicians which music he and the band played, as if he did them a charity covering the music that made the Stones famous. In 1964, Jagger wrote a snide letter to Melody Maker asserting that “These legendary characters wouldn’t mean a light commercially today if groups were not going round Britain doing their numbers.” I always liked the Rolling Stones when I was younger and was a Mick Jagger fan. Then my mother let me hear the originals and I realised that these were so much better.
The Stones might have introduced the world to the original black musicians at the start. But over the years the originals have faded away (pardon the pun) to the pint that even some American kids think that the Blues came from bands The Stones might have introduced the world to the original black musicians at the start but have become more silent about where their legacy comes from. So over the years the originals have faded away (pardon the pun) to the point that even some American kids think that the Blues came from bands like the Stones.
Bobby Womack has a big resentment towards Jagger and the Stones. While beat poet Leroi Jones once compared them to “Minstrels”.
Then there were the questionable moments: glorifying Slave rape in Brown Sugar, THAT line in “Some Girls”, the strange tribute song to Angela Davies that includes the line “Ten little niggers sittin’ on de wall”.
The fact that their black bass player Daryll Jones has never truly part of the band even though he’s been with them for 20 years. Giving his mixed raced daughter Jade “Jezebel” for a second name.
The bad treatment of his first daughter Karis with black singer and actress Marsha Hunt. He apparently wrote Brown Sugar for her – wouldn’t take it as a compliment.
The Stones’ music is dominated by the influence of black American music – but those very musicians have rarely been justly compensated for their innovations –. About their very first “self written” song Keith Richards wrote: “We didn’t find it difficult to write pop songs, but it was VERY difficult – and I think Mick will agree – to write one for the Stones. It seemed to us it took months and months and in the end we came up with The Last Time, which was basically re-adapting a traditional Gospel song that had been sung by the Staple Singers, but luckily the song itself goes back into the mists of time.” It was also influenced by James Brown’s “Maybe the Last Time” both songs even include the lyrics: “Maybe the Last Time, I don’t know”.
Many black artist said the Stones ripped of their songs, and when compared most of these songs were very similar indeed. The Stones never gave them any credits. Strangely In 1997, the Rolling Stones voluntarily credited k.d. lang and her writing partner Ben Mink on their song “Anybody Seen My Baby?”, after a representative of the group noticed a resemblance to lang’s 1992 hit single, “Constant Craving.”
Time will tell how the movie turns out. As for Mick and the Stones as MOS DEF sang:
“ Guess that’s just the way shit goes
You steal my clothes and try to say they yo’s (yes they do)
Cause it’s a show filled with pimps and hoes
Tryin to take everything that you made or control (there they go)
Elvis Presley ain’t got no SOULLLL
Bo Diddley is rock and roll (damn right)
You may dig on the Rolling Stones
But they ain’t the first place the credit belongs”
Staff Writer; Dannii Cohen
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This film has been on hold for quite a while because there was no
money man, producer. So why in all this time didn’t a financially competent
black director or producer pick up the ball. Any answers? Blacks have
always complained after the fact when it has been picked up by a white
financial backer to produce and then we have to listen to the backlash
rhetoric.
I was disgusted by your character assassination of Mick Jagger.
Mick Jagger and Keith Richards (along with other members of the
Rolling Stones) have paid for mortgages, hospital bills and
funeral expenses for many of our black blues musicians.
To proceed to trash Mick Jagger regarding his children is a complete
disgrace. What difference does it make whether his children
are white, black or multi-racial. Your statement is racist.
And you call yourself an “educated” man?
You should have done your homework before writing this
character assassination of Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones.
What a shame that you are unable to be clear and supportive in a time
when clarity and support are so necessary for us here in the United
States of America.
In the words of Jagger/Richards “got to scrape that shit right
offa my shoes.”
I was completely disgusted and dismayed when I read your “literary
lynching” of Mick Jagger and the Rolling Stones.
The Rolling Stones were a supporter of black musicians before you
were a thought. Such as Muddy Waters, Buddy Guy. Solomon Burke
and Howlin’ Wolf.
A rambling, ill-conceived article. Spike Lee is box office poison. He’s a whiny attention freak. No one cares about him. Eddie Murphy, meanwhile, is hardly the best judge of scripts. I wouldn’t bet against Brian Grazer when it comes to making movies.
The Stones racist? What planet are you on!? Darryl Jones is a sideman, as are Chuck Leavell and Bobby Keys – two white men who have been on board much longer. All are free to leave at any point if they feel mistreated. The Stones are not going to hand over equity in their legal partnership.
All of Mick’s kids turned out fine, and his ex-wives seem to get along fine with each other. You’re not on very solid ground if you want to raise the subject of deadbeat dads on this web site.
The Stones have always been generous with their songwriting. Ask Marianne Faithfull. And their cover versions have been good money-spinners for the likes of Solomon Burke, Don Covay, Rufus Thomas, Chuck Berry, Bobby Womack and the Motown stable of songwriters. Actually, if you want to focus on exploitation of blacks in the music industry, look at Berry Gordy.
Why are we wondering why the black community still falls short? Whites promote and play our music better, make better directors of black movies etc. Why not let Mick play James Brown then, he’s far better then a black artist! White icons are glorified all the time for biopics, why can’t blacks do that for their icons? Still no good reason.
It was clear I meant that the script wouldn’t be used. You said that whites could get a better script. I said that the black guy had already researched it and made one that was perfect. Nothing to do with it being used or not.
Mick actually met James twice and James thought he was boring. (Though he nicked “Sex Machine” to make “Sex Drive”.)
Also the piece didn’t say Some Girls was about Davis, the songs were separated by a comma. It’s called summing-up.
I’m not sure about Mick, but I know even FANS of Keith Richards found Richards came across as a racist after his book, so I wouldn’t trust everyone in the band.
Blues artists where popular with whites before the Stones. Many came to Blues clubs despite segregation. Crossover would have happened without the Stones.
Sorry, I correct myself, Peter Tosh was signed to the Stones record label.
You got the history of the Stones (regarding black music roots totally wrong first of all, At least Muddy Waters got royalties when the Glimmer twins performed or recorded his songs, Next, the stones are still to this day constantly tributing black blues artist in documentaries and such, the statement of Jagger trying to better black music is pure speculation on your part,
You only tell a small piece of the Bobby Womack resentment toward Mick story and you fail to mention Womacks freebasing during his guest appearance on the Stones Dirty Work album.
Brown Sugar mocks slave owners, Some Girls was NOT in reference to Angela Davis, Daryl Jones is happier with the Stones than he was with Sting, Madonna or Miles Davis. The Stones never got sued for stealing songs from black artist, Led Zepellin did multiple times. As for Spike, He needs to stop whining. He complained about no nomination for Malcolm X, You do not get Oscars when there are scenes in your film that have boom microphones dangling down from the top of the screen. {Rent it and see for yourself} Just because they happen to be white brits that dig the blues does not make them, or Mick in particular bad. Ask Merry Clayton, On there 89 tour they took Muddy Waters and Holwlin Wolfs widows on the whole tour and even put the grandkids of several famous blues artist thru college. When they came to the states and saw Muddy Waters, the King of the blues painting the ceiling in the lobby of Chess Records, They put him on tour with them and He became famous the world over. They helped Tine Turner start her solo carreer, introduced Prince to the world,
signed Jimmy Cliff to their record label when Motown, Atlantic and Stax would have nothing to do with Ska or reaggae, Mick personally produced the black rock band Living Colour when labels, rap, rock or whatever would not touch them(BET treated them like dirt by the way.} And the list my freind goes on and on. When you write articles stop using so much conjecture and well, BULLDANKY and deal with facts. Oh yeah, back to Spike, I have known a few people that have worked for him. Not an original idea in his head, steals ideas and is greedy. Whenever he has a flick coming to theatres He has to find SOMEBODY TO START SOME CRAP WITH. THE SENSATIONALISM DOES NOT WORK. He has done some great stuff, but ya know, in the end, I personally do not want to see the James Brown story done by him.
Yes, I read this article. And from what I gather either the piece that Spike wrote and Eddie loved isn’t gonna be used and Spike won’t be the director or Spike’s gonna allow them to use his script (and he will get paid, right?) yet he still won’t be the director.
And again, YES! I’ve noticed so many black people speak more truths with white directors than black directors. Even black people realize that black directors don’t really like telling the whole absolute truth of a life story. It makes the person look bad and and tarnishes his/her reputation. Many black directors can’t handle the criticism/backlash they know they are gonna hear from people and read in magazines. Especially from black people and in black magazines. Is that the only part of my comment you disagreed with? Here’s something else:
I bet Mick Jagger has been around James Brown more than Spike? Of course, he has. So Mick would know more intricate details about James none of us knew about James, even Spike and Eddie.
Yep, that’s the attitude we need!! Black artist don’t wanna talk to black directors about a black icon, no they wanna talk to the white dudes and give a nice polished version of events to please them.
FYI did you start reading the piece halfway or something: At the start it said there already WAS a script by Lee. Eddie Murphy loved it. Eddie Murphy not to sure he lovin it now!!
Who are these black musicians who felt they were ripped off by the Rolling Stones? Surely, not the entertainers who went on tour w/ them. Many artist from the 60’s boast about being on tour with the Rolling Stones. The Rolling Stones have made it very clear that many of the blues and soul singers are/were/still are their idols. They’ve been welcomed with open arms to share a stage with Muddy Waters, B.B. King, Otis Redding, Ike and Tina, Patti Labelle and the Blubelles, and countless others. So who’s accusing the Rolling Stones of stealing music. And why hasn’t any of those musicians sued the Rolling Stones?
Plus, everybody knows how stoned the Rolling Stones stayed. They constantly partied and had orgies. Their wild lifestyle wasn’t a big secret. The private lives of the Rolling Stones is an open book. On none of those pages did anyone black accuse them of stealing. Blacks relished in the fact that whites were fans. B/C black singers/entertainers knew that spelled C-R-O-S-S-O-V-E-R=MORE MONEY.
Truthfully, I don’t think Spike Lee and Brian Glazer have the same chemistry as Brian and Mick. Mick is a freak and the last pic I seen of Brian, he looked like a freak so…hey.
When the interview black people for any info regarding James Brown, black people are gonna be more cooperative with Brian and Mick than Spike and Brian. Simply b/c blacks have always been that way.