(ThyBlackMan.com) Paleo-conservatives – both Black and White – repeatedly make the racist and erroneous claim that the Black community is only loyal to the Democratic Party because they want a free ride. Ironically, that’s the very mind-set that makes the Black community look upon most conservatives – and especially Black conservatives – with such disdain. I mean, what kind of idiot does it take to make such a slanderous statement about his or her own people? But there’s another reason why the Black community shuns the GOP that trumps even that blatant slander – conservatives in general.
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The problem among many White conservatives is that they tend not to recognize their condescending attitude of superior entitlement towards Black people, and the problem with Black conservatives is they tend to be oblivious to that flaw in conservative character . That’s what makes them such an embarrassment to the Black community. Thus, contrary to popular belief, the Black community’s disdain for Black conservatives have nothing to do with the issues of Black entitlement, self-sufficiency, or any other political concept other than the dignity and self-respect of Black people.
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The people in the Black community vary in their political attitudes and views just like in any other group – especially the more religious Black people – but in spite of that fact, very few Black people identify themselves as conservative. The reason for that is, most Blacks who do identify themselves as conservatives seem to also embrace the White conservative attitude that Black people should go out of their way to skin-and-grin and show their gratitude to White people for ALLOWING Black people to be free.
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As a result, instead of assuming equality, most Black conservatives tend to act more like teachers’ pets with an overwhelming need to be accepted by their white superiors. As I’ve pointed out previously, a good example of that was reflected in Herman Cain’s statement that, “I’m a brother from another mother” – or in other words, “I ain’t like the rest of them Black heathens, boss. I loves you.” That’s what Black people find so distasteful when the GOP trot out people like Herman Cain and Dr. Ben Carson. The only thing that seems to be missing is their leash and the pooper scooper.
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Yet, White conservatives are so filled with misguided hubris that they’re completely oblivious to the fact that when they trot these people out with such fanfare, and take such obvious pride in what they think is proof positive that they’re willing to accept Black people as almost human, that they’re actually demonstrating the exact opposite. And then, what makes it even worse, is the Black people that they find who are willing to take part in such a ridiculous spectacle are so happy to be in the limelight that they come out all but wagging their tails, and invariably, they’re so appreciative of being presented as part of the fold that they feel an obligation to run out on stage and start immediately attacking their own people – “See if you weren’t so dumb you’d be up here with me.”
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That’s what’s being reflected in the attached photo. If you’ll notice, in the photo Bush looks like a master rewarding his favorite pet. No? Well ask yourself, how often do you think Bush had occasion to pat Dick Cheney on the head like that? It’s a clear sign of condescension, and what’s worse is how the Black conservative is lapping it up. Again, if he had a tail, it would certainly be wagging furiously.
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So, for this and many other reasons, the GOP will never get through to the Black community. Because the bottom line is, White conservatives tend to have a matter-of-fact sense of arrogant superiority and hubris that flows so deep that they’re oblivious to it – and it’s killing their brand.
LIBERAL: Lib-er-al, noun
A political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties. = CHANGE – GOOD NEWS FOR BLACK PEOPLE.
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CONSERVATIVE: Con-ser-va-tive, noun
Disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. = MORE OF THE SAME – BAD NEWS FOR BLACK PEOPLE.
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ASSET: As-set, noun
A useful and desirable thing or quality. = INTELLIGENCE.
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LIABILITY: Li-a-bil-i-ty, noun
Something disadvantageous. = BLACK CONSERVATIVES.
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So why do Black people actually shun the Republican Party? Because we’re not stupid.
@ Ramses and observer
Observer that book launch video was the first time I spoke in front of an audience, so yes I was nervous and could’ve been more prepared. But I did answer the Sisters question because that was; as you said a topic I talked about in my book and in the video.
Ramses, I agree with you this will be the last time I talk about the slave mind with you. But I won’t stop talking about it to my people, since you don’t want anything to do with them. This is an important difference between us. I want to help my people; you want to write them off. If you had read my book, you would’ve known we agree on many things, and I’m not asking you to read it. I’m just pointing out your wrong view points about what I’m trying to do with my people. As you know, what we don’t agree on is the cause for where all the problems in the community come from.
You claim it comes from the dishonorable position Black women allow themselves to be placed in. You go on to say Black men are too scared of Black women to hold them accountable for their actions, but will sit here online and bash Black men for not stepping up to the plate. To me this sounds like a male and female problem, but you want to blame it all on the Sisters. It takes 2 to make a baby. You also go on to say our present condition stems from our backsliding, overly sexual, non political, the inability to form a coalition, shiftless, lazy, stiffed neck ways.
To me, these sound like symptoms, not the cause of our problems. So how did we get like this considering as you’re correct in saying we were more successful before integration? My point about the slave mind is that it is not physical, it’s all mental. This is why it’s so hard to change because most of us don’t even know there is a problem. As I said many times before, the proof stares at you in the mirror everyday. I’ll end by asking you and the people who think like you to answer some questions, since you don’t agree with my reason why we act the way we do. First question, which I mentioned many times, but people seem to have overlooked it.
Why do Black people think light skinned Blacks look better than dark skin Blacks?
Why do Black people think straight hair is better than curly hair?
Why do Black women and some men who used to, continue to straighten their hair?
Why do Black women and some men color their hair blonde and brunette?
What other people were stolen from their home land, stripped of their language, history, culture, and religion?
Last question, what community spends 90% of their hard earned money outside of their community and why would they do this?
If I’m wrong about the slave mind still affecting us, here’s a list of other people who are wrong as well, according to you.
Malcolm X who talked about the difference between the house negro and the field negro.
Dr. Francis Cress Welsing
Dr. Na’im Akbar
Anthony T. Browder
Dr. Henrik Clark
Dr. Ben Jochannan
Dr. Claud Anderson
The honorable Elijah Muhammad
The honorable Louis Farrakhan and the many others who are wrong, according to you.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
appreciate it @keepin i…..i’m tired of black people not being responsible for themselves…these black men sound like bitter old women……how can they lead anyone when they can’t control themselves? but want respect….the black woman they claim to love (if they really loved her they would enforce natural law and hold them to the standards that ex-slaves had like either become marriage material or left to the curb and stop keeping their mouths shut solely for the sake of keeping their access to their womb). If a woman tells you that you can’t tell her what to do with her body (whether it be her getting an abortion or having sex with 50 men in one year) then you shouldn’t value her as a potential mate anyway. These dudes can’t even agree on that. They supporting LGBT rights but how many of these people support “family’s rights.” They don’t fight for the “black family.” But they damn sure will fight for everyone’s else’s right to abort babies and for gays to get married and have families. And then say Republicans are the problem. LOL!!!!!!
Rameses you are the most sane. I see you as a motivational speaker because you sure know how to move the crowd. Best wishes with all your endeavors.
much respect @wishuwould247 and reasonable mind and apologize for the double posts these computers crazy sometimes…..and only black people to one of their own that what they wrote “is too long.” But when that white man they hate makes you read all that material in school you do it……I need to come with a cure for ADD
Let me address this slavery piece once and for all to Terence and Marcus. When enslaved Africans, were riding in those boats, some had the opportunity to kill themselves and some did by jumping into the water, sometimes with their babies. For those who did stay alive, the one thing that helped them through the experience of slavery was the notion that later generations would be in a better position than they found themselves in and this helped many of these people deal with this experience.
These people never knew if they would get get free. All they had was hope. And through mercy from The Divine Architect of the Universe, they were freed. Now we all know that the majority of slaves were to fearful to fight for freedom. I mean Haiti is the only slave colony to successfully fight (keyword fight) for its freedom. This experience actually contributed to some men on plantations in the US to being emboldened enough to try to rebel against the slaveowners. However, most were snitched on and we know the rest of that story. So, as we can tell, most enslaved blacks in US were scared to fight for their freedom. Now fast forward. You have the Jim Crow era. An era that forced black people to work with each other.
And what did we see take place? We saw blacks make gigantic economic strides compared to where they were. The dollar at one point in time circulated in the black community than the Jewish community at one point in time. At one point blacks controlled 385 billion acres of land in the US. Success was possible but what happened? Integration. Were black people forced to integrate? No. Negro Leaguse dominated white MLB when they played them, but it was celebrated when Jackie Robinson integrated MLB. Integration was an emotional decision, not a sound one business wise. What is it about black people that need white people to accept them to have made them give up their economic strength? Business is the science of life because every creature on the planet takes from the environment what it needs to survive and thrive. Instead, what we have to replace businessmen and women are educated negroes who think they’re revolutionary like the panthers thought they were.
But hold up, why did it take black people 100 pkus years after slavery to get revolutionary? Why weren’t these negroes revolutionary when the fire was at their backsides during enslavement? I didn’t see this mentality during slavery when it was really necessary. But the Panthers wanted to walk into government buildings with their guns, antagonizing the shit out of white people, and wonder why the government waged war against them.
Duh!!!!! You’re openly rebelling against the government which means you are an enemy to the government. When the Kurds openly rebelled against Sadaam Hussein, what happened? Many of them were gas and killed. They weren’t in a position of power to rebel against him, yet out of emotion, they made a tragic mistake. But at least they fought. Black people agitate, and then when the hammer gets brought down, they claim victim. Huh? It looks cute when people wear Panther shirts? But hold up, Bobby Seale ran for mayor in Oakland (a predominately black area) why didn’t he win? And this was from someone apart of an organization that tried to save black people!!!!
This was 1973. Not during slavery. Black people still didn’t vote him in. How can you live in a predominately black area, be a member of The Black Panthers, run for Mayor and lose? LOL!!! this is laughable. You can’t use slavery because during Reconstruction, right after slavery, we saw black politicians take advantage of their new standing (freedom) and entered the political fray. But in 1973, with no slave chains close, a black man could not win an election in a predominately black area against a Republican? But slavery is the reason why you don’t vote huh? If black people hate Republicans so much, why didn’t they vote in the midterm elections in 2010 so the democrats could have kept control of both houses of government?
Slavery huh? This is how you know you don’t have power: when you’re 40 million people, and people don’t pursue your vote, but pursue everyone else’s, then you don’t mean much politically. Barack pursued Latinos. George Bush didn’t pursue black people’s vote and beat John Kerry in 2004 when it should have been an easy win for Kerry. Why? Because black people didn’t vote as usual. If we go by your logic @ Terence and Marcus, every person on this planet should suffer from post traumatic slavery syndrome because every group of people, including Chinese, British, French, Japanese, etc have experienced slavery at some point in their history.
Oh I get it: black people own slavery. Since they lack the skills to own a house or business, I guess they say “can’t nobody take slavery from us. That’s ours right there.” And that was in the slave voice. Negro you don’t own slavery. You don’t have a monopoly on the experience. Yours wasn’t the worse in human history. I’m pretty sure slavery for other people was just as bad. You don’t get special treatment because none of you presently ever were in chains!!!!!! Instead of becoming educated, opening businesses, your people want to be facebook, twitter, and instagram monkeys revealing to everyone why they are so screwed up as a people; they have a lot of time to waste. John Kerry said “The reason is, that’s freedom, freedom of speech. In America you have a right to be stupid – if you want to be. And you have a right to be disconnected to somebody else if you want to be” Black people embody both of these things: stupidity and disconnectedness.
But when someone points out their stupidity and disconnectedness, the first thing that comes to mind is “slavery.” It’s like when someone tries to blame a nonexistent parent for their failures. Yeah on paper, it sounds good to do that. But at some point, you have to figure it out. Talk to someone who seems sucessful and get some help. Some kids have both parents, with money, and become drug addicts. Somehow, they blame their parents for their drug use as if the parent made them the addict. My dad suffered from a drug addiction he eventually beat. Now based on black people’s logic, I should be on it too.
You can’t pay me to do a drug. I don’t smoke or drink. I’ve maybe drank like 4 or 5 times my whole life and I’m 34! And my dad had it better than I did coming up. He didn’t have to do it but for some reason, he did and it was weak and I love my pops God rest his soul but doesn’t mean I’m unwilling to critique him. So if I’m willing to hold my deceased father accountable, for behavior that adversely affected me, why would I give black people a free pass especially when they try to use slavery, an experience they are so removed from, that is dishonorable to use as an excuse for their present ineptitude. I put more of the responsibility of my family than any outside forces that has contributed to some of the hardships I had to face because it starts with family first. Always has and always will.
And @ Terence, jews don’t let you forget about their experience because they control media (smart move I might add) which allows them to tell their story (which disproves the notion that the victors tell the history.) They didn’t have to beat their enemies up to decide to control their history and their story. Most of you don’t even know your story. Your full history. Jews have agreed on singular notion of what their history is (even if its composed of some myth). You negroes can’t even agree on what to call yourselves (African-American, Afro-Amercan, Negro, Colored, Niggas, etc). I have no respect for a group of people who try to use slavery as an excuse for their present condition. Your present condition stems directly from your backsliding, overly-sexual, nonpolitical, the i nability to form coalition, shiftless, lazy, stiff-necked ways. Your women are whores collectively, and your men are in love with whores.
This is a recipe for population of losers and the few of us, hwo have sense, are trying to figure out the best exit strategy to get away from you’ll because after all that’s been said and don, after the Nation of Islam, Universal Negro Improvement Association, Moorish Science Temple of Apemrica, Five=Percenter, SCLS, SNCC, Black Panthers, New Black Panther Party, Nuwabians, Hebrew Israelites, Ausar Auset, etc.
black people are no closer to the freedom they claim they want so bad than they were pre-emancipation. Black people are more enslaved now than they were in slavery because due to their own iniquity, they lack the spiritual guiding force that allows a people to reach within itself to transform its present condition, and become reborn. When black people look inside, they have lost that Divine Spark, which African religions claim that all man was born with. Because when you do have that spark, the pride within yourself will not allow you to bend and capitulate to anyone.
I have heard niggas for 10 plus years claim they hate whitey but they don’t hate him: they fear him. And not because you’re getting hung in trees. They fear him because they know they are not mentally capable of occupying the position he’s in. If black people really believed this mumbo jumbo they like to talk about white people as being genetically inferior to them, then that would mean they would go out and smash them on every front (education, business, spirituality, health). But do they? No. Black lag behind whites in every major category and if they don’t change their slovenly ways, these other groups will surpass them. Do you hear Chinese people complaining about what was done to them? Do you hear Hispanics complaining about what was done to them? Do you hear Indians complaining? No they are opening businesses, getting educated, and raising families that make your families look like people on the save the children commercials where if “you only donate 50 cents, you can help feed a child.”
Your economic business model is chick gets pregnant, get food stamps, and free housing and then let a drug dealer hide drugs in the house to sell. Or get a degree and work for the “white man” and work for 30 years, and spend that 30 years complaining the whole time about how much you hate this “cracker” but never striking out on your own to change it. It’s like are we talking about chldren or adults? I mean it’s like black people can’t cross the street without a crossing guard? GTFOH with that BS. I’m not putting my sword back in the sheathe because niggas want me to talk about black people glowingly. When it comes to standards, you black people couldn’t hang with blacks in the late 1800’s and early 1900s.
These people didn’t make excuses: they made plans. You mean to tell me that you negroes, being as free as you ever have been, cannot form banks when these people did back in the early 1900s? You must be kidding me. @ Terence, the reason why Jews receive favor is because they are an economically sound people, with a culture (Judaism) that governs their people’s behavior, and forces those around them to not only pay attention to them but to respect them as well. Your women are shaking their ass on tv yet you want respect. Hell I come from you negroes and I don’t respect you because when I tell these black women you all claim you love so much to stop being so dishonorable, you say “you hate black women.” WTF? Me telling black women to stop letting black men run through their drawls means I hate them? Only you people can twist righteousness into ridicule of someone. Many of black people’s problems center around the dishonorable position black women allow themselves to be placed in. Yet, black men are too scared of black women to hold them accountable for their actions but will sit here online and bash black men for not stepping up to the plate. Hold up. When I look at these other groups of people, their women are doing work as well and primarily they are not compromising themselves sexually on a continuous basis, and then wondering why they can’ take care of children they are not even mentally capable of rearing.
A girl is usually capable biologically to have a child at 12 or 13. Does this means she’s mentally ready for the task? Hell no! But yet you got girls 14 and 15 having babies. Obvious their mothers are neglecting them yet they get no blame? But all this is due to slavery though right? No it has nothing to do with it because if slavery really mattered to black people, then black people would make sure that they never put themselves in a vulnerable position that would allow them to be placed in this experience again. Jews did. Chinese did. Indians doing it. But the negro is twiddling his thumbs, using the slave experience that he presently has not experienced, yet accomplishing nothing.
I have been on this site for awhile and niggas seem to be more preoccupied with Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez than anything else. I’ll finish with this: black people have dug themselves into a hole that I know they aren’t capable of getting out of. They have squandered any chance collectively of being a responsible, Godly, educated, economically sound people a long time ago. You have a group of people, who are being lead and controlled by its women: a group of women who spend billions of dollars shipping money outside their community to the beauty industry trying to look like women you black people claim to hate so much. Now these very dollars, which could be used to invest in the fmaily structure, is actually being used to build up other people’s families. Isn’t that so nice of black women to take care of other people’s families. I guess that’s a hangover effect from slavery too huh? While at the same time, as the “Dark Girls” documentary showed, referring to their dark-skinned daughter as ugly solely because they are dark.
Tyler Perry’s charcater “madea” exemplifies the power that black women have in their group. Most men want to emulate strong men but not black men. They choose to emulate black women. They get their personalities from them that displays how really weak they are. We see this with Cornel West/Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner. Years ago these men garnered respect but now look like high school girls fighting. Grown men who can’t sit down and air out their differences at all, but resort to name-calling (same thing I experience on here) just because they have disagreements.
And these are allegedly educated men!!!!! But this is what you black people like. You love weak niggas, especially the women. You love the docile, malleable, pliable type niggas who allow you to keep being the loose women social scientists claimed you were in the 1800s and I agree with them. I don’t know what stays open more on black women: their mouths or legs!! LOL. And the men are no better because they actually honor these women. If we came across a black woman, at 22, that’sa virgin, we would look at her as corny person. A lame. Or we wouldn’t even believe it because in this day and age, it’s unbelievable!!!! No one on here has ever seen me advocate black women being ran through. I have never said do what you wanna do. I have said you need to find you a captain to guide your vessel (being that woman is symbolic of a ship and every ship needs a captain.) Because with all these freedoms, that women fought for, we see that women and power just does not go together. And I know that sound like I’m in the Taliban when I say that but prove me wrong. Women have never been more free in America to do their own thing and look what they do. They are literally destroying themselves.
Look at the STD rate amongst black women and we this as true. Look at the out-of-wedlock black women have. It this the freedom you wanted? Don’t complain about fathers not being there when you fight so hard against men trying to make a positive impact in your so-called “community.” You keep fathers away because as a collective of women, what man wants to around a self-hating, meretricious type woman? How can you build a family with a woman who loves to go to your alleged enemy (white man) and uses your kids as weapons in court against you because you refuse to allow here to control you. The moment you step foot into a courtroom, especially in a family situation, you are admitting to the court (whether you black people know the law or not) that you’re “incompetent” in dealing with your private affairs.
Family is a private affair;not a public one. But when you go into that court, you admit to the jusge that you are an infant, incapable of solving its own problems. Yes I read up on law, something you dudes would learn a great deal from if you weren’t su busy trying to run up in every chick in site because you don’t get manhood from running through women. You get manhood by knowing what women to not to run up in. As a Man you need to have a standard by what kind of woman you want close to you and there is no way in hell that I will attempt to build a family with a woman who needs to wear an out-of-order sign on her body to signify how imbalanced she truly is. I never thought we would get to the point where white women would appear to be mcuh more disciplined in terms of marriage than black women. But give em, credit, white women know how to get husbands. Black women get babies, white women get families.
Whose smarter? But when your men are weaker than you, then this is what you’re left with: an aimless group of people who even when they get “educated” they still can’t solve their problems. Which makes you question your education. Education is supposed to solve some sort of problems in your life. More educated black people get, the more problems they seem to have. How dare you negroes point any finger at white people in general in terms of slavery, when we all know that the majority of white people never owned slaves!!!! Why? because only a certain amount of whites back then could afford them.
Only plantations needed slaves. If you lived in a shack, what did you need a slave for? So trying to make every white person feel guilty for slavery, is really cruel to them because you’re making them feel guilty for something they didn’t do when at the same time, you don’t even make those blacks feel guilty who squander the freedom they have right now. And then you don’ take into account the hardships caucasians had when they came here. Why did many Irish peole ocme to America? Potato famine along with British rule in their country. Did you know that the potatoes, bacon, and other crops that Ireland produced was shipped on the same boats with the Irish who were being shipped to America? So in essence, these people were being driven from their homeland, and were on the same boats that that their crops were on that were being shipped to Britain.
But only you had hardships. Most sane people use tragic history to be better and do better for their present situation and future considerations. Not the negro. He throws slavery up in your face, and yet does not use this experience to elevate himself to never have to experience this again. How appalling. With a history extensive as the negro, the only thing he can focus on is slavery. Why doesn’t he focus on Egypt? Hindustan (black owned)? Olmec history? He only goes back to a condition that keeps him paralyzed and in a state of fear. Once I let that slavery stuff go, I gout out of the state of paralysis i was in and started to do real work and I’ll be very honest: if you don’t give a damn about your family, then I damn sure don’t.
i am not sitting here froming programs for negroes who have had every program they need under the sun to clean themselves up. If your daughters wanna go out there and be hoes cool. If your sons wanna be Young Jeezy snow men and make it snow in the hood cool. But don’t sit here and tell me I need to feel sorry for them when I grow up in the same America they did, and use no excuses. I ain’t buying that shit at all. This is about men and women: not infants. If you’re mentally and spiritually incapable of getting your life in order, then you deserve to be on the bottom, no matter what group you come from.
How many of you people have actually sat down and discussed the state of affairs of your family? And if so, what plan did you come up with to advance the interests of your family? Are their rules for members of your family to abide by? Family law comes before state law because families were formed before the “state” came into existence. The “state” only came into existence so that families could coexist as peaceful as they can. So before you niggas go to the state, demanding jobs and welfare programs, you need to remember that your family needs to get their shit together first before you lay your problems at Barack Obama’s doorsteps because last time I checked, his family is in order and this is probably why he’s getting flack from many black people (especially the degenrate so called educated class). I guess the fact he doesn’t have a baby mama mskes him not be an authentic “black” person. Oh I forgothe is half-white so he isn’t really fully black.
he does have a white side so he can’t fully identify with “us.” Anytime I hear black people bring up slavery in relation to their meaningless position they’re in right now, I’m gonna laugh on the inside and know instantly I’m dealing with a loser. And it’s gonna make me fight even harder when I start these banking classes in the next six months, and study like a Hebrew slave to make sure I get as far away from black people I can possibly get. I am a Scorpio, and when I read up on my sign it said that we don’t respect losers. It’s natural for me to think the way I think because being a loser is not attractive and complaining either. Women complain: men plan.
Simple. I recognize that most black people will not join hands with me because they’re too weak to and that’s fine. But don’t tell me to support “black’ when the success I know is coming arrives because it’s not gonna be given to me: I’m taking it. Especially when you don’t use the black stuff to organize with one another. I saw a documentary on ESPN called “Broke” where it detailed many black sports figures, who went broke, giving their sorry ass family members money when they should have invested in them, not just gave them money. If you needed money for school, I would invest in that but only certain disciplines. And after their money ran out, their own family members didn’t want anything to do with them!!!!! But this is white people and slavery’s fault right? LOL!!!! Black people have degraded themselves to the point where they are not even taken seriously unless they are killing someone. Dwight Howard, who allegedly came from a Christian family, has six kids by six different women. Nigga has no self-cnotrol. Now if he goes broke in ten years behind these chicks, you think I will feel sorry for him? Think I’m gonna blame it on slavery? Hell no!!!!! He’s just a monkey who is a slave to flesh and the trollops he deals with are no better than he is. It’s shame that we have to tell black adults to grow up but I will say it anyway. BLACK PEOPLE: GROW YOUR SILLY ASS UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for not sugar coating the state of our community wishuwould247 and Rameses. We too often pick the bad apple to the expense of the bunch. The tools are available to anyone who wants to enhance their life just as Malcom X chose to do. There is no justification to sacrifice a group for one who is simply choosing his free will to be self destructive. I took the time to view Terrance Amen’s video and also agree with just an observation. Terrance Amen couldn’t answer a basic question when a woman in the audience asked him what should they do with their money since he was telling them not to bank with whitey.
Let me address this slavery piece once and for all to Terence and Marcus. When enslaved Africans, were riding in those boats, some had the opportunity to kill themselves and some did by jumping into the water, sometimes with their babies. For those who did stay alive, the one thing that helped them through the experience of slavery was the notion that later generations would be in a better position than they found themselves in and this helped many of these people deal with this experience. These people never knew if they would get get free. All they had was hope. And through mercy from The Divine Architect of the Universe, they were freed. Now we all know that the majority of slaves were to fearful to fight for freedom. I mean Haiti is the only slave colony to successfully fight (keyword fight) for its freedom. This experience actually contributed to some men on plantations in the US to being emboldened enough to try to rebel against the slaveowners. However, most were snitched on and we know the rest of that story. So, as we can tell, most enslaved blacks in US were scared to fight for their freedom. Now fast forward. You have the Jim Crow era. An era that forced black people to work with each other. And what did we see take place? We saw blacks make gigantic economic strides compared to where they were. The dollar at one point in time circulated in the black community than the Jewish community at one point in time. At one point blacks controlled 385 billion acres of land in the US. Success was possible but what happened? Integration. Were black people forced to integrate? No. Negro Leaguse dominated white MLB when they played them, but it was celebrated when Jackie Robinson integrated MLB. Integration was an emotional decision, not a sound one business wise. What is it about black people that need white people to accept them to have made them give up their economic strength? Business is the science of life because every creature on the planet takes from the environment what it needs to survive and thrive. Instead, what we have to replace businessmen and women are educated negroes who think they’re revolutionary like the panthers thought they were. But hold up, why did it take black people 100 pkus years after slavery to get revolutionary? Why weren’t these negroes revolutionary when the fire was at their backsides during enslavement? I didn’t see this mentality during slavery when it was really necessary. But the Panthers wanted to walk into government buildings with their guns, antagonizing the shit out of white people, and wonder why the government waged war against them. Duh!!!!! You’re openly rebelling against the government which means you are an enemy to the government. When the Kurds openly rebelled against Sadaam Hussein, what happened? Many of them were gas and killed. They weren’t in a position of power to rebel against him, yet out of emotion, they made a tragic mistake. But at least they fought. Black people agitate, and then when the hammer gets brought down, they claim victim. Huh? It looks cute when people wear Panther shirts? But hold up, Bobby Seale ran for mayor in Oakland (a predominately black area) why didn’t he win? And this was from someone apart of an organization that tried to save black people!!!! This was 1973. Not during slavery. Black people still didn’t vote him in. How can you live in a predominately black area, be a member of The Black Panthers, run for Mayor and lose? LOL!!! this is laughable. You can’t use slavery because during Reconstruction, right after slavery, we saw black politicians take advantage of their new standing (freedom) and entered the political fray. But in 1973, with no slave chains close, a black man could not win an election in a predominately black area against a Republican? But slavery is the reason why you don’t vote huh? If black people hate Republicans so much, why didn’t they vote in the midterm elections in 2010 so the democrats could have kept control of both houses of government? Slavery huh? This is how you know you don’t have power: when you’re 40 million people, and people don’t pursue your vote, but pursue everyone else’s, then you don’t mean much politically. Barack pursued Latinos. George Bush didn’t pursue black people’s vote and beat John Kerry in 2004 when it should have been an easy win for Kerry. Why? Because black people didn’t vote as usual. If we go by your logic @ Terence and Marcus, every person on this planet should suffer from post traumatic slavery syndrome because every group of people, including Chinese, British, French, Japanese, etc have experienced slavery at some point in their history. Oh I get it: black people own slavery. Since they lack the skills to own a house or business, I guess they say “can’t nobody take slavery from us. That’s ours right there.” And that was in the slave voice. Negro you don’t own slavery. You don’t have a monopoly on the experience. Yours wasn’t the worse in human history. I’m pretty sure slavery for other people was just as bad. You don’t get special treatment because none of you presently ever were in chains!!!!!! Instead of becoming educated, opening businesses, your people want to be facebook, twitter, and instagram monkeys revealing to everyone why they are so screwed up as a people; they have a lot of time to waste. John Kerry said “The reason is, that’s freedom, freedom of speech. In America you have a right to be stupid – if you want to be. And you have a right to be disconnected to somebody else if you want to be” Black people embody both of these things: stupidity and disconnectedness. But when someone points out their stupidity and disconnectedness, the first thing that comes to mind is “slavery.” It’s like when someone tries to blame a nonexistent parent for their failures. Yeah on paper, it sounds good to do that. But at some point, you have to figure it out. Talk to someone who seems sucessful and get some help. Some kids have both parents, with money, and become drug addicts. Somehow, they blame their parents for their drug use as if the parent made them the addict. My dad suffered from a drug addiction he eventually beat. Now based on black people’s logic, I should be on it too. You can’t pay me to do a drug. I don’t smoke or drink. I’ve maybe drank like 4 or 5 times my whole life and I’m 34! And my dad had it better than I did coming up. He didn’t have to do it but for some reason, he did and it was weak and I love my pops God rest his soul but doesn’t mean I’m unwilling to critique him. So if I’m willing to hold my deceased father accountable, for behavior that adversely affected me, why would I give black people a free pass especially when they try to use slavery, an experience they are so removed from, that is dishonorable to use as an excuse for their present ineptitude. I put more of the responsibility of my family than any outside forces that has contributed to some of the hardships I had to face because it starts with family first. Always has and always will. And @ Terence, jews don’t let you forget about their experience because they control media (smart move I might add) which allows them to tell their story (which disproves the notion that the victors tell the history.) They didn’t have to beat their enemies up to decide to control their history and their story. Most of you don’t even know your story. Your full history. Jews have agreed on singular notion of what their history is (even if its composed of some myth). You negroes can’t even agree on what to call yourselves (African-American, Afro-Amercan, Negro, Colored, Niggas, etc). I have no respect for a group of people who try to use slavery as an excuse for their present condition. Your present condition stems directly from your backsliding, overly-sexual, nonpolitical, the i nability to form coalition, shiftless, lazy, stiff-necked ways. Your women are whores collectively, and your men are in love with whores. This is a recipe for population of losers and the few of us, hwo have sense, are trying to figure out the best exit strategy to get away from you’ll because after all that’s been said and don, after the Nation of Islam, Universal Negro Improvement Association, Moorish Science Temple of Apemrica, Five=Percenter, SCLS, SNCC, Black Panthers, New Black Panther Party, Nuwabians, Hebrew Israelites, Ausar Auset, etc. black people are no closer to the freedom they claim they want so bad than they were pre-emancipation. Black people are more enslaved now than they were in slavery because due to their own iniquity, they lack the spiritual guiding force that allows a people to reach within itself to transform its present condition, and become reborn. When black people look inside, they have lost that Divine Spark, which African religions claim that all man was born with. Because when you do have that spark, the pride within yourself will not allow you to bend and capitulate to anyone. I have heard niggas for 10 plus years claim they hate whitey but they don’t hate him: they fear him. And not because you’re getting hung in trees. They fear him because they know they are not mentally capable of occupying the position he’s in. If black people really believed this mumbo jumbo they like to talk about white people as being genetically inferior to them, then that would mean they would go out and smash them on every front (education, business, spirituality, health). But do they? No. Black lag behind whites in every major category and if they don’t change their slovenly ways, these other groups will surpass them. Do you hear Chinese people complaining about what was done to them? Do you hear Hispanics complaining about what was done to them? Do you hear Indians complaining? No they are opening businesses, getting educated, and raising families that make your families look like people on the save the children commercials where if “you only donate 50 cents, you can help feed a child.” Your economic business model is chick gets pregnant, get food stamps, and free housing and then let a drug dealer hide drugs in the house to sell. Or get a degree and work for the “white man” and work for 30 years, and spend that 30 years complaining the whole time about how much you hate this “cracker” but never striking out on your own to change it. It’s like are we talking about chldren or adults? I mean it’s like black people can’t cross the street without a crossing guard? GTFOH with that BS. I’m not putting my sword back in the sheathe because niggas want me to talk about black people glowingly. When it comes to standards, you black people couldn’t hang with blacks in the late 1800’s and early 1900s. These people didn’t make excuses: they made plans. You mean to tell me that you negroes, being as free as you ever have been, cannot form banks when these people did back in the early 1900s? You must be kidding me. @ Terence, the reason why Jews receive favor is because they are an economically sound people, with a culture (Judaism) that governs their people’s behavior, and forces those around them to not only pay attention to them but to respect them as well. Your women are shaking their ass on tv yet you want respect. Hell I come from you negroes and I don’t respect you because when I tell these black women you all claim you love so much to stop being so dishonorable, you say “you hate black women.” WTF? Me telling black women to stop letting black men run through their drawls means I hate them? Only you people can twist righteousness into ridicule of someone. Many of black people’s problems center around the dishonorable position black women allow themselves to be placed in. Yet, black men are too scared of black women to hold them accountable for their actions but will sit here online and bash black men for not stepping up to the plate. Hold up. When I look at these other groups of people, their women are doing work as well and primarily they are not compromising themselves sexually on a continuous basis, and then wondering why they can’ take care of children they are not even mentally capable of rearing. A girl is usually capable biologically to have a child at 12 or 13. Does this means she’s mentally ready for the task? Hell no! But yet you got girls 14 and 15 having babies. Obvious their mothers are neglecting them yet they get no blame? But all this is due to slavery though right? No it has nothing to do with it because if slavery really mattered to black people, then black people would make sure that they never put themselves in a vulnerable position that would allow them to be placed in this experience again. Jews did. Chinese did. Indians doing it. But the negro is twiddling his thumbs, using the slave experience that he presently has not experienced, yet accomplishing nothing. I have been on this site for awhile and niggas seem to be more preoccupied with Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez than anything else. I’ll finish with this: black people have dug themselves into a hole that I know they aren’t capable of getting out of. They have squandered any chance collectively of being a responsible, Godly, educated, economically sound people a long time ago. You have a group of people, who are being lead and controlled by its women: a group of women who spend billions of dollars shipping money outside their community to the beauty industry trying to look like women you black people claim to hate so much. Now these very dollars, which could be used to invest in the fmaily structure, is actually being used to build up other people’s families. Isn’t that so nice of black women to take care of other people’s families. I guess that’s a hangover effect from slavery too huh? While at the same time, as the “Dark Girls” documentary showed, referring to their dark-skinned daughter as ugly solely because they are dark. Tyler Perry’s charcater “madea” exemplifies the power that black women have in their group. Most men want to emulate strong men but not black men. They choose to emulate black women. They get their personalities from them that displays how really weak they are. We see this with Cornel West/Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner. Years ago these men garnered respect but now look like high school girls fighting. Grown men who can’t sit down and air out their differences at all, but resort to name-calling (same thing I experience on here) just because they have disagreements. And these are allegedly educated men!!!!! But this is what you black people like. You love weak niggas, especially the women. You love the docile, malleable, pliable type niggas who allow you to keep being the loose women social scientists claimed you were in the 1800s and I agree with them. I don’t know what stays open more on black women: their mouths or legs!! LOL. And the men are no better because they actually honor these women. If we came across a black woman, at 22, that’sa virgin, we would look at her as corny person. A lame. Or we wouldn’t even believe it because in this day and age, it’s unbelievable!!!! No one on here has ever seen me advocate black women being ran through. I have never said do what you wanna do. I have said you need to find you a captain to guide your vessel (being that woman is symbolic of a ship and every ship needs a captain.) Because with all these freedoms, that women fought for, we see that women and power just does not go together. And I know that sound like I’m in the Taliban when I say that but prove me wrong. Women have never been more free in America to do their own thing and look what they do. They are literally destroying themselves. Look at the STD rate amongst black women and we this as true. Look at the out-of-wedlock black women have. It this the freedom you wanted? Don’t complain about fathers not being there when you fight so hard against men trying to make a positive impact in your so-called “community.” You keep fathers away because as a collective of women, what man wants to around a self-hating, meretricious type woman? How can you build a family with a woman who loves to go to your alleged enemy (white man) and uses your kids as weapons in court against you because you refuse to allow here to control you. The moment you step foot into a courtroom, especially in a family situation, you are admitting to the court (whether you black people know the law or not) that you’re “incompetent” in dealing with your private affairs. Family is a private affair;not a public one. But when you go into that court, you admit to the jusge that you are an infant, incapable of solving its own problems. Yes I read up on law, something you dudes would learn a great deal from if you weren’t su busy trying to run up in every chick in site because you don’t get manhood from running through women. You get manhood by knowing what women to not to run up in. As a Man you need to have a standard by what kind of woman you want close to you and there is no way in hell that I will attempt to build a family with a woman who needs to wear an out-of-order sign on her body to signify how imbalanced she truly is. I never thought we would get to the point where white women would appear to be mcuh more disciplined in terms of marriage than black women. But give em, credit, white women know how to get husbands. Black women get babies, white women get families. Whose smarter? But when your men are weaker than you, then this is what you’re left with: an aimless group of people who even when they get “educated” they still can’t solve their problems. Which makes you question your education. Education is supposed to solve some sort of problems in your life. More educated black people get, the more problems they seem to have. How dare you negroes point any finger at white people in general in terms of slavery, when we all know that the majority of white people never owned slaves!!!! Why? because only a certain amount of whites back then could afford them. Only plantations needed slaves. If you lived in a shack, what did you need a slave for? So trying to make every white person feel guilty for slavery, is really cruel to them because you’re making them feel guilty for something they didn’t do when at the same time, you don’t even make those blacks feel guilty who squander the freedom they have right now. And then you don’ take into account the hardships caucasians had when they came here. Why did many Irish peole ocme to America? Potato famine along with British rule in their country. Did you know that the potatoes, bacon, and other crops that Ireland produced was shipped on the same boats with the Irish who were being shipped to America? So in essence, these people were being driven from their homeland, and were on the same boats that that their crops were on that were being shipped to Britain. But only you had hardships. Most sane people use tragic history to be better and do better for their present situation and future considerations. Not the negro. He throws slavery up in your face, and yet does not use this experience to elevate himself to never have to experience this again. How appalling. With a history extensive as the negro, the only thing he can focus on is slavery. Why doesn’t he focus on Egypt? Hindustan (black owned)? Olmec history? He only goes back to a condition that keeps him paralyzed and in a state of fear. Once I let that slavery stuff go, I gout out of the state of paralysis i was in and started to do real work and I’ll be very honest: if you don’t give a damn about your family, then I damn sure don’t. i am not sitting here froming programs for negroes who have had every program they need under the sun to clean themselves up. If your daughters wanna go out there and be hoes cool. If your sons wanna be Young Jeezy snow men and make it snow in the hood cool. But don’t sit here and tell me I need to feel sorry for them when I grow up in the same America they did, and use no excuses. I ain’t buying that shit at all. This is about men and women: not infants. If you’re mentally and spiritually incapable of getting your life in order, then you deserve to be on the bottom, no matter what group you come from. How many of you people have actually sat down and discussed the state of affairs of your family? And if so, what plan did you come up with to advance the interests of your family? Are their rules for members of your family to abide by? Family law comes before state law because families were formed before the “state” came into existence. The “state” only came into existence so that families could coexist as peaceful as they can. So before you niggas go to the state, demanding jobs and welfare programs, you need to remember that your family needs to get their shit together first before you lay your problems at Barack Obama’s doorsteps because last time I checked, his family is in order and this is probably why he’s getting flack from many black people (especially the degenrate so called educated class). I guess the fact he doesn’t have a baby mama mskes him not be an authentic “black” person. Oh I forgothe is half-white so he isn’t really fully black. he does have a white side so he can’t fully identify with “us.” Anytime I hear black people bring up slavery in relation to their meaningless position they’re in right now, I’m gonna laugh on the inside and know instantly I’m dealing with a loser. And it’s gonna make me fight even harder when I start these banking classes in the next six months, and study like a Hebrew slave to make sure I get as far away from black people I can possibly get. I am a Scorpio, and when I read up on my sign it said that we don’t respect losers. It’s natural for me to think the way I think because being a loser is not attractive and complaining either. Women complain: men plan. Simple. I recognize that most black people will not join hands with me because they’re too weak to and that’s fine. But don’t tell me to support “black’ when the success I know is coming arrives because it’s not gonna be given to me: I’m taking it. Especially when you don’t use the black stuff to organize with one another. I saw a documentary on ESPN called “Broke” where it detailed many black sports figures, who went broke, giving their sorry ass family members money when they should have invested in them, not just gave them money. If you needed money for school, I would invest in that but only certain disciplines. And after their money ran out, their own family members didn’t want anything to do with them!!!!! But this is white people and slavery’s fault right? LOL!!!! Black people have degraded themselves to the point where they are not even taken seriously unless they are killing someone. Dwight Howard, who allegedly came from a Christian family, has six kids by six different women. Nigga has no self-cnotrol. Now if he goes broke in ten years behind these chicks, you think I will feel sorry for him? Think I’m gonna blame it on slavery? Hell no!!!!! He’s just a monkey who is a slave to flesh and the trollops he deals with are no better than he is. It’s shame that we have to tell black adults to grow up but I will say it anyway/
@ Marcus, reasonable mind, and wishuwould247
Marcus I will be in touch.
Reasonable mind and wishuwould247, if you agree with Ramses about writing off some of our people, that would be like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Like never giving people like Malcolm X, before he became Malcolm X a chance to change and the many other Brothers and Sisters who started out rotten, but changed their lives because someone believed in them and wouldn’t give up on them. You never know who you’re writing off and what they could’ve contributed to our community.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
Rameses and wishuwould247 are spot on!
LMAO, Ramses post not too long, N***** don’t like to read. It shouldn’t matter how long it is if valid points are being made. I agree with writing some of us off, can’t save whats already been destroyed.
Terrance, I will be in Florida in two weeks, speaking to the agencies across the state responsible by state mandate to create Black business. I will be talking about economic development and creating and entrepreneurship ecosystem to facilitate Black business growth.
Hit me up with your email and I will shoot you the presentation when I am done. I will talk about the $1Trillion dollars of purchasing power, and some of the other things you talk about.
marcusvessey@gmail.com
Ramses, I understand your self-help message. I get it bro, but to think that ‘white supremacy’ doesn’t exist doesn’t make much sense. Why? Because regardless of how you slight it it is obvious and everyday. When you look back through history the example of it is even more vivid.
There is a difference between being descriptive and being prescriptive. Describing the phenomenon of white supremacy doesn’t mean that that is an excuse for not self-mobilizing. But it does indicate one of the hurdles that must be overcome for evolution.
Also bro, I like some of the stuff you write, but your post are to long.
@ Ramses cont’d
I forgot to mention, I also agree with you about getting the powers that be to listen and take action on our part. They will never do this as long as we just talk about politics with nothing to back it up with. With our trillion dollars a year, we continue to fund the same people who ignore us every year. This is why we need to form a financial base to go along with a political one. America only understands one thing and that is the dollar. Until we come at them from that point of view, nothing will change.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
@ Marcus, Ramses, CD, hmm, and just an observation
Marcus
Thanks for the breakdown on the psychological effects of slavery. I couldn’t have said it better. Unfortunately, the educated and un-educated only see things on the surface and not below, where you’ll find the real truth. This is why knowing your history from a physical, mental and spiritual point of view is so important.
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When you don’t control the education that you receive, you only get to hear one side and that side may not always be right. When we start to control our history, we can tell the whole story and not just one side of it.
just an observation
If all you got from watching my video was that I was bitter, then this is all you wanted to get. If it is bitter to want to help your people become the best that they can be, if it is bitter to want your people to become self sufficient, if it is bitter to stop your people from being exploited, and if it is bitter to want your people to work together, so be it. But I don’t think it’s bitter. I’m trying to follow in the footsteps of our great leaders like Marcus Garvey, and El Hajj Malik Shabazz who said a lot of the same things I said. If you don’t like what I said about slavery, can you at least realize we can do more together than apart, which is really the bottom line?
Ramses
You represent the best of us and I’m sad to say the worst as well. You’re a contradiction of view points. From our past comments, you know I don’t disagree with you on some of the things you say, but in your comments, you talk about the solutions and the problems as if they’re two separate entities, when they are really the same, or two sides on the same coin. As a people, in my opinion, we are the problem and also the solution.
You also say on the one hand you talk about not bringing up slavery and how it doesn’t have anything to do with how we act now, but on the other hand you talk about how we should use the Jews as an example of how to overcome and solve our problems, and I agree with you on this point, until we can remember our history and realize, we did this already, long before the Jews did. The Jews will never forget their history, the good and the bad. They will also never let anyone else forget it either. They use it as a tool to get what they want or to get people to see their side of the story.
If you talk against them, they jump right on you with all their power and influence. Unfortunately we do the opposite and want to forget about our history, the good and the bad. When people talk against us we do very little about it until it has become so bad that we have no other choice but to. I agree that we can’t change everybody, but I believe they deserve a chance to get an honest opportunity to change their ways. You seem to want to just right them off and forget about them. This is not what our great leaders did and neither will I.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
About the Bible
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When will these “ministers of the Gospel” stop preaching us a sermon and start living us one?
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The Catholic Church is currently THE most compelling example of the hypocrisy of organized religion on Earth, and considering the antics of some of these Baptist preachers, that’s saying something. But at least the Baptist Church doesn’t prevent child molesters from going to jail like any other pervert. So the Catholic Church provides prima facie evidence that “believers” tend to worship the church more than they do God – and these are the people who organized the “Holy Bible” that Christians are so devoted to worshiping. They’ve, literally, made a book – that was written and compiled by man – an idol God, in direct contradiction to the prescription of the very book they’re worshiping. That’s why I continue to insist that the Bible is not the word of God, but the word of man – flawed men.
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“For the first 300 years of Christianity, there was no Bible as we know it today. Christians had the Old Testament Septuagint, and literally hundreds of other books from which to choose. The Catholic Church realized early on that it had to decide which of these books were inspired and which ones weren’t. The debates raged between theologians, Bishops, and Church Fathers for several centuries as to which books were inspired and which ones weren’t.
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“In the meantime, several Church Councils or Synods, were convened to deal with the matter, notably, Rome in 382, Hippo in 393, and Carthage in 397 and 419. The debates sometimes became bitter on both sides. One of the most famous was between St. Jerome, who felt the seven books were not canonical, and St. Augustine who said they were. Protestants who write about this will invariably mention St. Jerome and his opposition, and conveniently omit the support of St. Augustine.
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“I must point out here that Church Father’s writings are not infallible statements, and their arguments are merely reflections of their own private opinions. When some say St. Jerome was against the inclusion of the seven books, they are merely showing his personal opinion of them. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. However, A PERSONS PRIVATE OPINION DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH AT ALL. There are always three sides to every story, this side, that side, and the side of truth. Whether Jerome’s position, or Augustine’s position was the correct position, had to be settled by a third party, and that third party was the Catholic Church.
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“Now the story had a dramatic change, as the Pope stepped in to settle the matter. In concurrence with the opinion of St. Augustine, and being prompted by the Holy Spirit, Pope St. Damasus I, at the Council of Rome in 382, issued a decree appropriately called, “The Decree of Damasus”, in which he listed the canonical books of both the Old and New Testaments. He then asked St. Jerome to use this canon and to write a new Bible translation which included an Old Testament of 46 books, which were all in the Septuagint, and a New Testament of 27 books.”
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ROME HAD SPOKEN – FOR GOD – AND THE ISSUE WAS SETTLED.
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the biggest trick that ever was played was the notion of “white supremacy.” Black people are the only group of people I hear actually use that term. How can 500 white people, come to Africa, and beat up millions of Africans? Answer is, they didn’t. But based on black people’s acceptance of these tall tales called “history” they accept this and choose not to compete because if you notice, especially amongst the most educated black people, they always talk about how oppressive white people are to them.
Now let’s step back for a second. Is it oppression for white people to hire people, who look like them, in their companies? No. Not at all. I notice how if a mexican starts working at a McDonald’s or Checkers, within 6 months, the whole staff becomes Mexican. Is this racist towards black? Nope. It’s called “collectivism.” Now let’s go back in time about 600-700 years ago. In Europe, caucasians, didn’t even have the ability to flush their excrement. Many of their kings and queens were illiterate.
Many caucasian Europeans were dirt poor. I mean they were worse off than black people in slavery. A caucasian, in Europe, could go to the public market, steal a piece of fruit, and if caught, could be hung in the public square. Even when Europeans came to this landmass, why did they come here? Because the kings and queens of Europe, whose notions of divine rule was turned on its head after seeing kings executed (Martel), shipped these poor people to colonies to keep them from revolting against their rule. They were very poor here as well. Feudalism was not so great for the European male or female Caucasoid persuasion. Do we see them using the excuse of feudalism as justification for doing stupid stuff?
Do caucasian serial killers say “I suffer from post traumatic feudalism syndrome”? Do the Chinese, who saw their entire country, including the aristocracy, military, and civilian people become straight junkies through the opium trade make excuses? Do our Aztec, Mayans, Incan, etc brothers and sisters make excuses for being whipped up on during colonization? No….they have each regrouped in their own way. But the negro wants a reparations. Excuse me, do you understand warfare. No person, who loses on the battlefield, gets to dictate the terms of his defeat. You were given freedom (sometimes I wonder why) and don’t even use this freedom to do basic things that civilize people do when they want to move forward.
You can’t show me one group of people on the planet, who at one time, have not gotten their behinds beat on the battlefield. Not one. Why does the negro think his grief trumps everyone else’s? Why don’t black people hold African’s accountable for selling other African people into slavery? Why get mad at those who buy you instead of getting mad at those who sold you? Does this make sense? Why don’t you sue Africa? WOuld you rather be in Africa right now? I wouldn’t. Do you see the African leadership? It’s bout the same as the black leadership is in the US: it sucks.
Black people have gone to college, learned all these silly pathologies like “post traumatic slavery disorder” that gives them an escape valve so they can avoid responsibility for their own iniquity. If you want to be really free, as a people, your asses will have to earn it. You have already been physically freed already. You didn’t free yourself on the battlefield yet by some mercy, you were handed freedom. Chinese fought for freedom. Which is why they are poised to be the next superpower moving forward. They studied “capitalism” and now is the largest debt holder of the US. I don’t wanna save all black people…..are you freaking crazy?
There are some evil black people out here. Some of these degenerates need to be wiped out. They serve no purpose outside of tearing up stuff. Black people have some grandiose notion that they will save all black people. Huh? Indian people don’t think like that. Chinese don’t think like that. They focus on family first, then they move throughout their community and work with each other, which is a natural phenomenon. Because you tend to have more comfort with those who look like you.
Problem with black people, is that most tend to hate those who look like them, because they hate themselves. So what caucaisans devised strategies to make you feel bad about yourself? Did you have to fall for it? Nope. You choose to embrace inferiority. I’m dark-skinned. I don’t walk around feeling “white people are better than me.” I grew up in the same America you’ll did. But you think I’m gonna let anyone make me feel inferior to them when I know my true history? I don’t descend from no slaves period!!!! I’ve seen King Tut exhibit before. That’s my bloodline. Slavery is not my history. Matter fact, I don’t even talk about slavery. I live my life as if it never happened because the only way to show that you truly honor these people is by getting off your monkey asses, stop your bitching and complaining, and get to work. Learn how to create products to sell. Learn how to invest.
Learn how to farm. Learn how to build. Stop being a freaking stain on humanity however. Drug dealers have more business sense than these so-called negroes who call themselves “educated.” At least they know they need a product to sell. There was a time when black people in the US were looked at with high regard for the things they were doing in the 50s and 60s. Now people look at you’ll like “what happened to you?” The only reparations you will get is the ability to use your mind. Will it be hard? Yes. Only because you made it harder on yourselves with these liberal notions that keep you begging government to help you out when government has done it’s job. Goverment has created the environment, from a basic standpoint, to allow commerce to operate. Now if you operate from a position of no power, you can’t go out here making demands like someone owes you.
That’s not how it works. You get a strong position and then when you do, then you are able to make demands because you have things to offer (resources, influence, etc) that forces people to pay attention to you. At this point, why would anyone pay attention to black people from a political standpoint? What do you have to offer any political candidates that will make them work on your behalf? Black people, from a political standpoint, are like unmarried black women, with multiple kids, telling men “you’re gonna have to accept me and my kids and take care of us.”
Huh? You created your own mess, now in order for me to get sex from you, I have to take care of your burdens? Where they do that at? LOL…..politically, black people are a welfare queen. They have yet to figure out how politics work. Malcolm said “politics is warfare without bloodshed.” By saying “white people are bad” you automatically are turning people off that you have to do business with…..I remember when the NAACP’s Julian Bond referred to George Bush as “Hitler.” But then are upset when he is unwilling to give you a seat at the table. Huh? And this type of thinking gets you shut out of the political arena and constantly at point zero.
The “black family” has become an oxymoron. Black people can’t even get the most basic structure of humanity down, yet want people to respect them. Not happening. Not when they go to the mall, see unruly kids, walking with so-called “mothers” with the cracks of their behinds showing. Yeah people really respect you alright.
Marcus Vessey,
Good points…Your commentary brings the following quote from Malcom X to mind :
…..It’s like when you go to the dentist, and the man’s going to take your tooth. You’re going to fight him when he starts pulling. So he squirts some stuff in your jaw called novocaine, to make you think they’re not doing anything to you. So you sit there and ’cause you’ve got all of that novocaine in your jaw, you suffer peacefully. Blood running all down your jaw, and you don’t know what’s happening. ’Cause someone has taught you to suffer — peacefully.:
CD – “I believe the killing blow was integration without preparation,” That is the best way I have ever heard it put. That is a great way to put it.
I would argue that the oppression never stopped it just morphed and in many ways direct oppression is easier to organize social culture systems to address it, such as greater social solidarity, localized economies that are either overt and covert.
What integration did (and I am not anti-integration, I am anti one way integration and the illusion that integration equals power) was essentially allow oppression to become sneaky and subversive rather than overt and direct. It provides in many ways the illusion of great progress, which neuters much of the collective rallying points that we used to be able to organize energy around.
For example, we can only organize collection emotions leading to action around unique highly visible incidents like Travon Martin. But these are unsustainable because when the visibility of the incident disappears there is no tangible collective philosophy of action to keep people mobilized.
It is super hard to mobilize people around abstract concepts like structural racism and systemic oppression. But prior to integration we could continually rally around direct, highly visible and clear acts of oppression.
For sure it’s a disease when people are constantly telling us that all our woes stem from SLAVERY. It’s so nurtured in the minds of infants until it is EPIDEMIC just as 2Pac said he didn’t INVENT thug life “the hate U give lil infants f*cks everyONE” he just DIAGNOSED it!
Marcus Vessey,
Your analogy of the problem being related to a disease is compelling on some aspects. But there are some things that your commentary does not explain:
1. How is it under the most stressful conditions, literacy rate rises exponentially for blacks after reconstruction?
2. How is it that black men had the lowest crime rates under the greatest oppression?
3. How is it that the black family was more stable under the greatest oppression?
If I use your disease analogy, what was the medicine black people were taking to help them maintain their strength and resilience under the most brutal conditions in America and to maintain social stats not accomplished today?
I agree with your comment that this happened around the 1960’s. I believe the killing blow was integration without preparation, the disentigration of the church, War on Poverty, the drug culture and the Civil Rights industry.
CD Smith, I will answer your question in regard to post-traumatic slavery and the pathology it creates.
You asked – “If racism and slavery is the explanation for what we see in the black community today, please explain why those closest to the period of “actual” oppression did not “express” themselves in the manner we see today?”
1. By intention white supremacy, which is the foundation of the racism which was used to perpetuate and justify the economic engine known as slavery was designed to weaken Black men and women in many ways –> emotionally, psychologically, socially, economically and politically. That is because when those different aspects are developed they lead to power and power is a threat to any kind of supremacist system. There is no true ‘African’ culture that is a residual of West Africa where are ancestors were from. Pretty much our entire culture was self-created in the context of America.
2. That previous point is very important, because in large part white supremacy accomplished the job that it was designed to do. While it did not and could not destroy us, it definitely weakened. So like an auto-immune deficiency, when the average person gets a cold, we get pneumonia etc.
3. So when we see the ‘violent acts’ that a small percentage of our brothers and sisters commit relative to the population of Blacks, and at a higher per capita rate than other ethnic groups we have to consider the aforementioned truth of the imposition of white supremacy upon our development as a people group.
The point is that violent crime is up across all of America since the social revolutions of the 60s, the rates of single motherhood, teen pregnancy, etc. is up across all ethnic groups across America since that time. Because we are within America, our ability to resists the negative social-cultural trends that occur in America are weakened by historical and current oppression and therefore many of these negative trends that are higher for us can be directly and indirectly related to past and present oppression.
So when you talk about those face with immediate physical oppression versus those today faced with oppressions legacy, we have to strongly consider the fact that like a disease that isn’t correctly treated, simply because the causation of the disease is no longer present, the disease itself doesn’t simply cease to exists.
If we believe that white Supremacy and structural racism were intentionally designed to fundamentally disrupt our upward evolution in America and that that supremacists system and racism was allowed to essentially go unchecked against us for 250 years, then to assume that negative pathologies wouldn’t occur in our race at a higher scale doesn’t make much sense.
Now I am not excusing, I am explaining.
I like this conversation alot. I think there have been a wide range of intelligent voices and view points on this subject. I wish there were more of these types of conversations in here.
Preach CD preach…..the very people who were oppressed practiced higher morals and spirituality, while the ones who never went through chattle slavery are justifying their behavior on slavery….how despicable for black people to use their ancestors pain to justify why they are corrupt presently….filthy maggots…..black people idolize a prostitute styled culture…..when Indian women, Chinese women, Arab women, etc get on tv and booty shake then I’ll be more inclined to say it’s a woman thing….until then, don’t tell me that the reason why black females want to shake on a stripper’s pole is because of slavery and the slaveowner raping black women. How do these people come up with this logic?
Wouldn’t it make sense that these women who were subjected to this treatment would have demonstrated the same self-degrading behavior? And even those who decided to act in an overly-sexualized manner, they lived and worked in whore houses!!!! It was clear who they were. But you have females out here at age 30, who have slept with over 50 men, wondering why they haven’t found a husband? You can’t be that dumb!!!! And the dudes aren’t better because you got rappers making songs about how they in love with a stripper!!!!! Like I said, black culture is a prostitute culture. Everything is based on sex, not love. Like I said, you defend what you love. What’s to love about black people? A black woman in England I think said a white male touched her on her butt and when she asked him why did he do it he replied “I thought that’s what you’ll like. They do it in the videos.” Even respectable black women are being subjected to disrespect being garnered through the actions of these tramps. But like I keep saying: until respectable black women start speaking up against this behavior, it will stay the same.
It’s clear black women could care less about the guidance men such as myself try to give (like close your legs). So it’s gonna come a point in time well I won’t say anything and let them do what they do and that time is close. But if responsible black women are really against it, I want to see them start some organizations to help these females out since they care about the black race so much. I want to see them come out and criticized the out-of-wedlock births, and the stripper/prostitute culture among black women out here that is so prevalent, you have girl at 14 saying they want to be strippers when they grow up. I mean I see black women come out in support for gay marriage. They come out in support of women’s rights all the time. Why don’t they ever come out in support of women’s responsibility? Black women care more about gay marriage than productive black women? LOL!!!!!
You can’t use the excuse you have no black role models because Michelle Obama is staring you right in the face. You don’t see butt pics of her on instagram do you? Forget about black men for a second. Stop embarrassing yourselves in public. Or have you no shame? I just talked to a 63 year old black woman who said “these black women today are no good. My grandson, who’s in the military, 35, no kids, says he can’t find a decent black woman because they are too aggressive and materialistic. All they want is money.” This same woman said that these mothers have done a piss poor job in raising their daughters into young women. Mind you she has been married for 40 years.
So she got married at 23. But talk to the average black female at 23, marriage to her is like Kryptonite. LOL!!!! But once she gets bopped upside the head with a few penises, and is bitter and hates men, now she wants a husband she can take out her bad decisions on. LOL!!!!! Ex-slaves had more sense than niggas with degrees and I will stand by that until the day I die. Black men froze to death walking up North to find work after slavery, yet in 2013, he can’t even find a viable wife to build a family with when he was going through this to try to feed his families? No wonder bros. are moving on. If a woman is in her 30s, never been married, or even engaged, chances are she is no good, especially if she is really attractive. I remember when black women had so much influence and were good, that they could take a thug, bring him to church with her, and help him change his criminal ways.
Now, you got these women now who don’t even believe in the Creator? Any woman who thinks like that has issues. I dated a chick with that mentality in 2010. Thi girl was so angry inside it was impossible to deal with. You couldn’t tell her shit. She thought she knew everything. Dark skin too. Had to let that go quickly. Like I said, this prostitute culture, every black chick who has a nice figure and pretty face wanting to be a model or Beyonce, does not realize that 15 turns to 20. And 20 turns to 25. And 25 turns to 35. And 35 tursn to 45. And 45 turns to 55. Who is emulating Byonce helpping you save for your retirement? Will you be able to retire comfortably. Do you think Social Security will be there for you? Really? Or will you do like many females do now: live off their kids and use their children as de-facto husbands, screwing up their lives because you were too arrogant and sorry as a woman to humble yourself to good men around you and instead chose weak men who let you walk over them and had kids by these men instead. Fundamental questions like these never are asked by females who only think being cute is important.
Well ther are cute poor people. Check the strip clubs. Plenty of cute, pretty females. But they poor as hell. Check online on backpage.com, where you have females at 19 years old selling themselves. They’re cute too. You know how weak and dorry you have to be as a female, at age 19, your only avenue is to sell your body to make it economically? Not 49. But 19.
And for the love of God: black men, stop calling strippers Goddesses. You weak niggas the only dudes that will call a filthy woman a queen. No other men on the planet does that except you which makes you unfit to rule anything because you can’t even rule what’s in your pants…….damn suckas
Terrance Amen;
Also, in regard to the culture and traditions of black people, if you read the history of black people during that time period, they present a totally different view of what they wanted to “preserve” in regard to their culture and protect. The vast majority of blacks in the North and South practiced Christianity. While the some slaveholders were “sincere” Christians , many used the religion to reinforce the concept of obedience to the slave master.
But if most of us took the time to read the narratives from the slaves themseleves, they saw through the manipulation and knew the God in heaven wanted them to be free. That concept of freedom permeates throughout the songs and literature of slaves that we are familiar with today.
There were conventions held by free blacks from 1830’s to 1860’s to discuss the issues. They were called “Colored Peoples Convention” If you read the transcripts of these conventions you will see that all they wanted was:
1. Freedom for their enslaved brothers in the south.
2. The ability to earn a living, get an education and ability to vote.
3. The ability to worship in peace.
4. Reject the government’s proposal to send free blacks back to Africa. Some argued that South America was more appealling.
These blacks reflected to strength and resilence to “adapt” and to survive.
We can get into endless discussions on “western” vs “african” philosophy as to which is better. But the bottom-line, when posed with the “opportunity” to go back to Africa, those blacks, the ones who were “actually” enslaved and oppressed, decided that this country was their home and they were going to fight for freedom and dignity or die trying.
Terrance Amen,
My father is nearly 80 years old. He grew up in the deep south when “niggra” was a polite reference to a black person. My father has never recalled in life growing up in an environment where black men were robbing and killing one another at that levels we see today. His grandfather’s father was a slave.
All crime stats show, undisputed, that I will mostly likely die at the hands of another black man.
One weekend in Chicago, I 54 people were shot. http://gawker.com/5569299/chicagos-weekend-shooting-tally-10-dead-44-injured
If racism and slavery is the explanation for what we see in the black community today, please explain why those closest to the period of “actual” oppression did not “express” themselves in the manner we see today?
With all do respect Terrance Amen now is not the time for self pity. If you haven’t cleaned up your own act then no one should be entertaining you, PERIOD. I saw your video and the first thing that came to mind was “bitter brother” needs to remove that chip from his shoulder because it’s destructive. As I recall you were at Marcus Bookstore inciting hate when a young brother challenged what you said you used slavery to justify irresponsible behavior which is why I see you as a “bitter brother” who needs to work on removing hate from your life before you can advance personally then community.
Obama has represented Chicagoans “community organizer” since mid 80s as a stepping stone to becoming their political leader then accepting kickbacks from Tony Rezco & Co including a Mansion in Hyde Park.
I’m no Jesse fan but if you’re going to talk about Chicago’s political representatives and community organizers that accumulate wealth to the detriment of their constituents then YOU must start with the current occupant of the Oval Office otherwise you’re just being disingenuous.
@ Brother Satchel, Eric, Ramses, CD, Marcus, and others
I agree with your comment about Black people not being able to stop crime Brother Satchel. But I disagree why. In my opinion, which I’ve pointed out many times on this site, the origin of our problems is mental slavery here in America and colonialism in Africa. I know Brother Ramses you don’t agree with this, but the proof in my point, still exist today in the Sisters and Brothers you talk about. Here in America we were stripped of everything you can think of that forms a positive productive community, even when we had a period of one, before integration. We actually did better on our own when we were segregated because we had no choice but to succeed. Yet when we were so called integrated, all hell broke loose, because we didn’t have a strong foundation to lean on.
We didn’t have the opportunities or resources we have now, but we did have a community that helped and looked out for each other. But the fact remains that we still have issues that date back to slavery with, the color of our skin, the texture of our hair, the lack of unity, and lastly the mimicking of the European way of life, who believes in the individual and not the community. This is why our so called leaders haven’t really done anything to change our situation. They continue to tell us to beg the government to solve our problems, when together, we can easily solve them. This is our real problem. We have to go back at least to before integration and I’m not talking about segregating ourselves again, but coming together as a community and working together to solve our own problem like we used to.
But to really be successful we need to study the successful parts of our African culture. We need to take back our own language, culture and traditions that were erased when we came to these shores in shackles. You all make good points, but we don’t respect each others opinions enough to find a common ground. Someone has to be right and no one else’s opinion counts. This is wrong and I’m sure deep down you know it. In the next 4-6 months, I’m taking the words out of my book and putting them into action with what I think is an amazing master plan, but only time will tell. I truly believe this will be the engine that will change the direction in our lives, and I hope you support it. But if we don’t support this, then unfortunately, this will prove my point once again, the slave mind is still in effect. I wish you all the best.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
@go figure- You said “represented Chicagoans for decades all the while advancing his personal interest over his poor constituency” To my knowledge a decade is 10 years, you used decades which is more than 2 decades, at the least is 20 years. The now President Barack Hussein Obama, Launched his first political campaign for political office in 1996 it is 2013 now, can we figure almost 2 decades or 1 decade to be accurate. I will overlook your misunderstanding of what a decade represents, but please explain “advancing his personal interest over his poor constituency” if you know something we don’t please share.
Obama was a community organizer turned politician that represented Chicagoans for decades all the while advancing his personal interest over his poor constituency. That’s why our problems will not be solved through politics.
It’s no wonder us black folks can’t stop the black on black crime. If the people committing on this article are examples of Black people, we may never be able to solve any of our own problems. What I hear mostly is name calling, blaming and long winded self aggrandizing illogical rants, that adds nothing to the conversation. I say Chicago has all of the components they need to handle gun violence in their neighborhoods. With help from Chicago’s Black Congressmen, Local Government and community organizers they can at least make a plan. Who is better suited to design a program to address there problems. Didn’t Jessie get our hostages released from Iran, run for President and convene a coalition a nation wide organization of poor people.
Eric,
I would have never figured that you would take a bigoted stance against someone based on their religious belief. I attempted to have logical discussion with you in spite of the fact that you are a humanist. I rarely get a chance to discuss topics with a humanist let alone a brother man. You must be on the west coast..
In reference to logic, I have studied enthalpy, cause and effect, probability theory and macro evolution and reached the “logical” conclusion that God exists because our very existence is a miracle!
A humanist like yourself has choosen reject the notion of God, therefore your God is yourself.
Nietzsche, someone you probably respect, promoted that concept..In this context, he was right..
Okay CD,
Now I see the problem. While I refused to discuss your religion with you, I now I understand why we can’t have a logical discussion. I learned as a mere child through extended discussions with E.V. Hill, who was the pastor of the church that my family attended, that if you show me a man who believes in talkin’ snakes and walking dead people, I can show you a man whose grip on common sense and reality can’t be relied upon. Even as a child, the concept of a dead man gettin’ up and walking away didn’t fly with me – and because I refused to believe that snakes could talk, the good reverend thought it was something wrong with ME! Go figure it.
I believe in logic – I always have, and I always will. So after being subjected to years of attempted indoctrination by the good reverend, at 14 years of age I made a mental note to never waste my time trying to have a logical discussion with illogical people – and that includes, but not limited to, witch doctors, people who worship totem poles, and people who believe in voodoo – because I’d learned through agonizing experience that trying to have a logical discussion with such people is like trying to teach a goldfish to ride a skateboard. Thus, your ridiculous assumption that you know what’s on God’s mind tells me everything I need to know about what I’m dealing with here. So I’m done with you, on this discussion, or any other discussion that you happen to be involved in.
So you have a good day – and I hope for your sake, and the sake of others like you, that an IQ test is not required to get into Heaven.
Eric,
I don’t know how old you are but clearly you should have enough experience to know that that the “nature” of man is evil. If you ever been to a family reunion or raised children from birth that realization would be evident. (LOL)
The Word of GOD tells me that the children of Adam are fallen in their nature and separated from God. The only way to establish our relationship with God is to be re-born.
This process must be initiated by God as we do not have the capacity to seek righteous on our own. God will condition you to be prepared at the moment he makes the offer to you become his SON. At that point you can accept or deny.
Man’s history has proven that he is in fact evil and in need of salvation.
You mistake good behavior with goodness. That is a deception. Anyone can do good deed and be wicked to core.
Many people that practice evil give millions of dollars to charity and would not give you drink of water. I have seen poor greedy people and the charitable rich and vice versa.
Your relationship with God defines what you are..
We have proven that Egyptians (kemetians) were melanated people. Caucasian scientists have admitted this. Cheik Anta Diop proved this. This was a highly advanced civilization. The same planes you see in the sky as well as helicopters existed in Egypt. Nuclear weaponry was also a staple of this civilization as well. It’s not academic to say if black people were in charge, they could demonstrate evil as well because they did.
Who do you think were the first to practice nuclear warfare? The white man? LOL!!!! see when you think your history begins at slavery, you are working with just one percent of the true history of melanated people. Yes black people practiced nuclear warfare. Sumerians and Egyptians (black people) brung down their civilizations with this high science. There was a time when Egypt was in control of all of Asia. They have found a grave full of bones in Pakistan with traces of plutonium that traces back many years ago. Like they say “nothing new under the sun.” Egyptians practiced colonization. Enslaved other people. And other things we vilify “whitey” for. But Marcus, it’s easy to be an ambulance chaser, and holler there’s an emergency.
However, from a personal standpoint, it takes a whole lot more ambition to be the best you. It’s clear black people can’t organize among which is ok. It is not stopping them from being the best version of themselves they can be. It’s easy to say “white folks are the only people who dropped a nuke before” when they don’t know the history of their own. Because once you read the ancient texts, and really explore history, as a black person, it is very sobering to see that the original devil is himself. That’s a lot to take in. The caucasian is your son/daughter and has done everything his parents has done on this planet.
This is bigger than democrat/republican. This is about spiritual science. A science that ancient Egyptians mastered before they got too full of themselves like many powerful empires do. But if you think you’re gonna lay all your troubles at the feet of caucasians (who are your family whether you want to accept it or not) you’re sadly mistaken. Black people are not innocent in the course of human history in terms of warfare, conquests, rape, torture, murder, etc. You have cannibals in Africa now as well as the past. You had virgins sacrificed by blacks in the past as well.
Is this civilized behavior? A political party pales in comparison to the history behind the negro and it makes sense why he suffers. He/she won’t acknowledge the wrong they have done to themselves, or earth. How could a people fall so much without it being their fault? You don’t go through the Arab enslavement, European enslavement without being the main culprit in the mess. Jews reformed themselves through tapping back into ancient knowledge and healed themselves through it.
They were in the ghettos before the negro. But they said we ain’t going back. The negro would do well to study the Jew. Someone who was in a similar position as him, but got to work and stopped blaming others for his fall from grace. Until the negro owns up to his ancient sins, he/she will continue to wander as the cultural vagabond he/she is and will continue to be the shit under humanity’s shoe: smelly and an irritant.
If you think you’re gonna shame white folks you’re mistaken. They know your history more than you do. They know your good but also your bad. So when you try to guilt trip them into giving you something, they laugh at you. They like “how dare you call us evil when you destroyed your own empires?” It doesn’t get anymore evil than that. Yes black people: you destroyed your empires of the past. Not invaders. Now let that sink in for awhile. Let it soak into your DNA. Let it marinate. And moving forward, before you direct your anger towards white people, republicans/democrat/progressives/libertarians etc, remember it is you, who is solely responsible for your present condition. Your baby mamas, your thug niggas you glorify in rap music, your pimps, your drug dealers, is your creation.
I won’t spill all the beans but I will say this: the bane of your existence is your creation. The one you hate so much is really yourself. You did some things in the past that you shouldn’t have done on a scientific level and you are paying for it. You are a people who are incapable of ruling over a child let alone an empire. I know it sound harsh to hear it from someone who is not caucasian. Yeah you can’t say it’s racist. It’s one of your own who has come from you and agrees with many of the stereotypes about you. Now what are you gonna do about it is the question? Because while you worried about whitey (who has issues of his own) you need to be worried about these Indians, Chinese, and other groups of people who are coming to America and whipping your ass educationally, economically, and family-wise. Chinese people come into your areas and become millionaires from opening wing stands in your community, while you complain they don’t give back to your community. While your daughters at the strip club at 18 ready to do her Beyonce impersonation.
You are losing because you lack the will to compete and anything in nature, a lion, a beetle, a bird, a worm, etc which lacks the will to compete, no matter what the circumstances are will die off. So will you die off or will you compete? That’s the only question that matters at this point. Political parties are not your issue. Your weak ass nature is the issue and don’t think for one second that because I share melanin with you we are of the ame blood type. I am nothing like you complainers and whiners. I’m making sure that my family is not represented by loose women and criminals. That’s what a man does: he protects the interests of his family through any means. And if I gotta step over you lazy niggas to do it, you think I won’t? I have no mercy for those who don’t use their brains.
As far as I’m concerned, in the black “community” there are too many Stephens and not enough Djangoes. Don’t hate on 50 cent and Jay Z because they have accomplished more than you niggas coming from the streets without having to take out a loan to get a worthless degree that people are burning on youtube as we speak!!!!
CD,
It is not my position that Black people are any less or any more brutal and racist than White people. People are people. What I am saying, however, is simply because man has demonstrated himself to be capable of ignorance, that doesn’t mean that ignorance is his nature.
If the overall scheme of things constitutes a million miles, man’s history in that scheme wouldn’t even be an inch long. So man hasn’t even been around long enough to determine his nature. Thus, the only thing we can discuss about man with any certainty is the current state of his ignorance. It’s only been the blink of an eye since we were rolling around in covered wagons. Back then, a person like yourself might have said riding in covered wagons was our nature, but today we’re flying around in jets. So the fact is, we’re still evolving, so you can’t determine our nature with any degree of certainty.
As for your position that “If the world had nothing but black people on it, the atrocities of history would be unchanged,” that may or may not be true, but it’s academic at best. You’re dealing in speculation, so there’s no way you can prove that. On the other hand, I’m dealing in what has actually taken place – facts – and facts always trump speculation.
That is why progressiveness has no context outside of creating a moral normative position.
If you are progressing, then the intent is to determine your progress towards exactly what?
This is why I routinely argue that the dichotomy of the two party system is STILL entrenched within the system so the expectation that any BLACK man will get respite from those who control and maintain power within the system and are not like them is ludicrous.
So Eric, let’s say that I buy 100% your argument on the Republican party. That to me still doesn’t solve the problem of the Democratic party. Why? Because they same people control the system and it is the system that has its way with us.
While you argue for progressive thought, I argue that mainstream political progressives are ‘conservative’ as well, just in a different context.
This is why you have seen no political progressive in the mainstream –
1. Go after the prison industrial complex
2. Talk about reparations
3. Talk about black power
4. Talk about policy’s unique and particular to support Black businesses
It just isn’t happening.
So even if I agree with your premise on converatism, that believe that one is evil and immoral does not equate to an argument that the other (progressive democrats) are not also evil and immoral.
Yet you implicitly defend the latter while demonizing the former and I argue that both deserve condemnation.
Eric,
Man in his base nature is ignorant of is the righteous of God.
Man’s nature is to do evil. If the world had nothing but black people on it, the atrocities of history would be unchanged. It is the nature of man to want to be superior to others.
You have no evidence to dispute those FACTS.
To “Stop It”:
Thanks for your kind words..
CD Smith your points are valid and you are a wise man. Therefore you shouldn’t continue to reason with unreasonableness.
CD, you said,
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“It is the nature of man to rule over man. This is what history has demonstrated since the beginning of time.”
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I would state that a little differently. I would say it is the IGNORANCE of man to want to rule over other men. Thus, it is not our nature; it’s a dysfunction that we accept as our nature. And then, America makes it even worse by adding blind hypocrisy to the mix.
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You then said,
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“What makes America special is that for the first time in human history, a nation was founded on the “idea” the government is the “servant” of the people and not it’s master.”
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The fact is, CD, America is not special at all. We’re simply more blatant, deluded, and unabashed liars.
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Any objective review of American history will clearly demonstrate that we are the most brutal and racist nation in the history of mankind. We were FOUNDED with brutal and racist intent. The “Manifest Destiny” was a philosophy that put forth the position that GOD wanted the White man to take this land from the Native Americans by any means necessary.
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Now, you can say what you like, but all the sugar-coated words notwithstanding, those are the facts.
Eric,
Please name the most righteous government/nation and people in world that never wrong anyone.
What is interesting is how individuals will eagerly point out the atrocities of American history and yet completely trust the same GOVERNMENT system to be involved in practically every area of the human experience.
Here is the question: Are you “just” in all that you do toward others?
Our leaders are a reflection of the people. Your daily injustices against others is a drop that creates ocean of injustice that runs rampant in our society.
It is the nature of man to rule over man. This is what history has demonstrated since the beginning of time. What makes America special is that for the first time in human history, a nation was founded on the “idea” the government is the “servant” of the people and not it’s master.
However, evil exists and there will always be evil people that want to control us all and commit acts for their own agenda. That does not invalid the “idea” of America. It demonstrates why the “idea” of America is necessary. We all must continually “FIGHT” to maintain what freedom we have and must struggle do what is right. Words on a piece of paper are meaningless unless it is honored by the people.
I finish with some quotes:
John Adams:
“There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.”
George Washington:
“Human rights can only be assured among a virtuous people. The general government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, an oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any despotic or oppressive form so long as there is any virtue in the body of the people.”
Frederick Douglass:
Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
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CD,
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You said that you think I’m a closet conservative. Below is an email that I sent to one of my conservative friends. You tell me if you think it reflects conservative views:
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About the American Delusion of Justice
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“Tom,
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“Sometimes your arrogance is astounding. How in the hell do you presume to tell a Black man about the state of racism in America? You have absolutely no idea what America looks like through the eyes of a Black man. George Zimmerman stalked an unarmed Black child – who was minding his own business – AFTER being told by the police to stay in his car, then shot and killed him, and now he’s trying to call it self defense.
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“Just walking up on Trayvon was an assault, because contrary to popular belief, you don’t have to actually put your hands on a person for it to constitute an assault; putting you hands on them is assault and battery. An assault is merely placing them in fear for their well being. So it was Trayvon who had the right to defend himself. If the exact same scenario had taken place, but it had been a Black man who killed a White kid instead of the reverse, the Black man would already be on death row.
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“So don’t write me trying to lecture me on racism in America. The United States is one of the most racist countries on the face of the Earth – and it always has been. All this “freedom and justice for all” was a lie when it was written, and it’s still a lie. Americans have a delusional blind spot when it comes to this country. We condemned Hitler for killing 6 million Jews, but we conveniently ignore the fact that we killed 100 million Native Americans – and some historians place the number closer to 300 million. We call Al Qaeda unconscionable terrorists for killing three thousand Americans, then we go over to Iraq and kill over a million innocent women and children. We talk about wanting to curb terrorism, but we’re the only country on the face of the Earth that has dropped not one, but two, atomic bombs on Japan – one each on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children, cute little puppies, and cuddly little kittens.
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“Yeah, I know, we were at war with Japan. But we were at war with the Japanese GOVERNMENT, not innocent noncombatants, and terrorism is defined as “the killing of innocent noncombatants for political purposes.” Based on that definition, the United States is the most brutal terrorist nation in the history of mankind – and I didn’t even mention the atrocities committed during slavery, the Jim Crow years, and during WWII when Black war heroes were forced to give up their seats on the train for Nazi prisoners of war.
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“So man, don’t you dare try to tell me about the virtues of this country. I’m not ignorant, and as I told you in my last email, I’m not the least bit interested in watching you play with yourself. I deal in facts, not sanitized delusions.”
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I don’t know what call conservative CD, but that certainly doesn’t sound conservative to me.
CD,
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You’re very wrong about that. Political conservatism leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I’m neither a liberal nor conservative. I consider both groups ideologues, and ideologues tend to give ideology priority over truth. I’m a progressive. We believe in giving truth priority over any ideology, and following truth wherever it leads and regardless to whose ox it gores. In short, I don’t care what other people think. I’m an independent thinker, and I give my own ability to think priority over both liberals, and conservatives.
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Thus, I don’t give a damn what Martin said, Malcolm said, or what Thomas Jefferson said. If I disagree with them, as far as I’m concerned, they’re wrong – and I feel exactly the same way about ALL liberals, and ALL conservatives.
Black people as a whole are basically conservative by nature, honest,hard working, religious with strong family values. That being said, the people calling themselves conservatives today are not the same as the of Colin Powell, Edward Brook and Nelson Rockefeller conservatives. This Liberal Conservative debate is wasted on me.
As as long as we are unable to employ ourselves, control the education of our children and compete in society as independent people; the world will never accept us as a equal. If we want to change how we are viewed by the rest of the world we have to change what we think of ourselves
Eric..
I think you are a closet conservative…
About Excellence as the Road to Equality
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The bottom line is, the only thing that can hold Black people down is Black people. We can’t out-scream society, and hundreds of years of begging for equality hasn’t worked. So we’ve simply got to recognize that the only thing that society can’t hold back is excellence, thus, we’ve got to make the pursuit of knowledge and excellence the new “soul.” It’s no longer enough to simply say “I’m Black and I’m proud.” We’ve got to give ourselves something to be proud of. So our new motto should be, “I’m Black and I’m best.”
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When my son and daughter were kids, I knew what my son was gonna have to face in life, and I was quite concerned, because he was a timid little boy. He used to peep at the world from behind his older sister. I wasn’t worried about her because she was born confident and assertive. She’s much like my late wife, who at the time of her death made $30,000 a year more than I did, in spite of the fact that I was more educated.
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But I was very concerned that Eric Jr. was going to be able to function on his own once he reached an age where he had to move out from under the protective cloak of the family. So I pulled him to the side and explained to him that excellence would make him strong, because in order for someone to claim that they’re superior to you, they have to be able to prove that they can out-think you.
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I knew that the pursuit of excellence would teach him that he couldn’t DEMAND respect. He had to COMMAND respect, and with knowledge and respect would come confidence. So I taught him that he should strive to become the kind of man where if some idiot points at him and tells his son, “See that guy there, he’s a nigga,” that the idiot’s little boy will look at him, and then look back at his dad and say, “Daddy, I want to be a nigga when I grow up.” That, is both the best revenge, and the ONLY way to obtain equality. Because equality isn’t something that can be bestowed upon you. You have to be strong enough to command it, and formidable enough to defend it.
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So fortunately, he took me at my word, and I watched him struggle to be the best at everything he did, and as a result, today he’s exactly the kind of man that I described. Today that timid little boy who used to come get in the bed with me because he was afraid of the dark, is a 6’5″ federal agent who, according to a letter written by the military, was requested BY NAME, to accompany “Presidential Banner Missions” all over the world. After he was discharged from the military, they contacted him and requested that he return for an additional two years. Thereafter, the military and several federal agencies were, literally, fighting over him.
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So again, excellence is the best revenge, and our only road to equality.
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http://wattree.blogspot.com/2011/01/fathers-pride.html
FACTS THE GOP DOESN’T WANT YOU TO KNOW
The vast majority of Black people in this country are middle class or above. African Americans are the second largest consumer group in America with a combined buying power of over $892 billion currently and likely over $1.1 trillion by 2012. In 2002 African American owned businesses accounted for 1.2 million of the US’s 23 million businesses, and 47% of Africans Americans own their own homes. – U.S. Census Bureau
couldn’t have said it better smith….finally someone else who echoes my sentiments……caucasians don’t own ggood moral values because they tout it on a political platform: these values are held by anyone who has sense enough to hold them!!!! lol….but it’s easy to say “hey darkie, it’s not your fault you can’t advance, after all slavery did a number on you.” as if having a nuke dropped on you (Japan) wasn’t terrible within itself….but within 40 years, Japanese were making better cars, electronics, etc than Americans…..but that’s too much to ask fo darkie because his/her crutch is “slavery” something these negroes never personally experienced….oh I forgot, they suffer from PTSD (Post Traumatic Slavery Disorder). gimme a freaking break….only thing negroes suffer from is too much fried chicken in they hand!!!!! lol…..but I guess abortions and homosexuality will be the platform for blacks in the future and if so I say “adios.” Because for some odd reason, the people who complain about their not being enough money, are the very people who will not pull their resources even amongst their own families. Forget the “black group” thing for a minute: get your family in order…..oh I forgot….what family…..70-80% of your kids born out-of-wedlock…….this is why majority black people didn’t follow Nation of Islam and other black conservative groups: because they were too morally bankrupt to put down the dope and their women were too loose to form families with and as we see in 2013, nothing has changed……black people have used the race card so much along with slavery and Jim Crow, I’m tired of it and I used to co-sign it!!!!!! victim politics at its finest, yet they never get anything….but every major empire (including the black ones) has to have a permanent slave class and it seems that black people are quite content in maintaining that monopoly…..since they are descendants of field negroes and all that other foolishness…..one minute you from kings and queens the next you descend from slaves….you monkeys should go back to scrubbing white folks floors in their houses and being their nannies to their children…..wait a daggone minute, you still do!!!! losers…….well I’ll be sure to tip you shine boys after you finish shining my nice loafers…..I don’t have a problem having a slave kneel before me….as long as he knows his place and I know mine, then we cool
Interesting perspective and revealing..
What was not mentioned in this discussion is what exactly are white liberals doing to show their great love for the black community once they got your vote?
Please write an article about that why one should be a black liberal and it’s rewards. I have made this request before…
Actually, practically everything you listed here is a reason why I am not a black liberal. I see liberal whites as condescending and hypocritical. Black conservatives are in the tradition of Malcom X and Marcus Garvey. We are not looking for white people to save us, accept us or apologize to us. We expected to be treated and exist on equal terms.
White liberals don’t even have the courtesy of putting “TOKEN” blacks in high positions of authority when they can. (LOL)
The only real issue that white liberals care about is homosexuality and abortion. Blacks are being tolerated by white liberals long enough until they get amnesty passed and then the black vote will be an afterthought.
You are correct on one front. I will acknowledge that conservatism is a philosophy for “grown folks” who believe that if they have more control over money, who believe in their GOD given abilities, who believe in traditional family values and value what a good education can provide for their children; that they can be successful in America the way our black forefathers intended. We would like CAPITALISM as vehicle for that effort so that we be our own bosses and hire our own.
Maybe that does come off as condescending to someone that looks at the world through the lens of RACISM, fear, jealousy and covetousness. If your worldview is to make it all FAIR, which really means bring everyone down to the same level or spread the misery, then liberalism is an appropriate political position.
Besides, there are so few of us black conservatives why bother even writing about us? We have no influence in the black community. Why not let us go about our business of being successful like the other ethnic groups in America?
Lastly, in your definition of conservatism, include this line:
“Conservatism is not a political position for slaves, only free people.”