(ThyBlackMan.com) The Bureau of Labor Statistics released the unemployment data for the month of December, and while things are getting better for whites, African Americans continue to suffer from unemployment rates that would be unimaginable if those being affected were of any other race. White unemployment rose slightly from 6.8 percent to 6.9 percent, with white males seeing a decline from 6.4 to 6.2. White women saw a slight bump from 6.2 to 6.3 percent as well. These numbers are mildly uncomfortable, but have led to a tremendous backlash from those who feel that this is evidence that the Obama Administration has not been entirely effective in securing sustained economic growth.
While white Americans are enjoying single digit unemployment (and still angry about it), black Americans are experiencing unemployment rates that are nearly as high as they were during the Great Depression. Black unemployment rose from 12.9 percent to an astonishing 14 percent. Black male unemployment is highest between the genders, at 14 percent, while black women are grappling with a 12.2 percent unemployment rate. Black teens are getting the worst of it, with an unemployment rate of 40.5 percent, nearly double that of white teens (21.6).
The numbers continue to beg the question of whether or not legislators and the Obama Administration should be expected to utilize targeted economic policy that accepts the reality that there are racial disparities in employment opportunities in America. While the Democratic Party scoured the nation going into every black church and community organization they could find to get us to vote, they are ignoring these very same institutions when their members call for some kind of help with the unemployment crisis which exists in black America. Billionaire Bob Johnson, among others, has openly stated that when it comes to black unemployment proposals presented to the White House, the officials agree that the proposals are a good idea and then never agree to do any follow-up. What if black America never agreed to follow-up with the Democrats when they came begging for our votes?
One problem for the Obama Administration is that they seem to think that racism simply doesn’t exist, at least that is what is implied through their actions. They, like some other Americans, seem to be thoroughly convinced that black people don’t have jobs because we don’t want to work, or that we don’t care about feeding our children. But this is contradicted by stories like the one about the unemployed woman who pretended to be white and found that the number of job interviews she received suddenly skyrocketed.
I know people with PhDs and law degrees who struggle to keep employment, so the myth of the lazy negro who doesn’t want to work needs to be squashed in exchange for policy recommendations that respect our rights to equality as members of the American family. I’m sorry people, but Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous aren’t going to be able to convince the Obama Administration to do the right thing: They will personally benefit from having access to the White House, but the rest of us do not. As it stands right now, the old adage of “taxation without representation” is an excellent way to describe the state of affairs in black America. Our taxpayer dollars are being taken so we can help white women get jobs and to pay for Al Sharpton to have a show on MSNBC.
Memo to the White House: Racism is real, and we need your support. You have hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer resources at your disposal, much of that drawn from the black community, and it is required that you utilize some of those resources for targeted economic policy which calls for the support of black-owned businesses and economic support to urban areas that are hardest hit by the unemployment epidemic. If white Americans have the right to scream and complain about a “wonderful” unemployment rate of 6.9 percent (which black people won’t even have after our recession is over), then black people certainly have the right to be outraged about 14 percent. Any other perception of the situation is nothing less than entirely racist.
Staff Writer; Dr. Boyce Watkins
Dr. Boyce Watkins is the founder of the Your Black World Coalition. For more information, please visit http://BoyceWatkins.com.
This is why I asked you the question Terence in terms of you being married. It was not to mock or embarrass you but to prove a point. With all that positivity you presetn, and don’t get me wrong your intentions are quite noble, but your sisters don’t recognize the jewel you possess? You mean to tell me not one black woman can recognize the work you do and hitch herself to your wagon? This is beyond ridiculous. You try to come up with ways to help and improve black people’s situations but these so-called sisters don’t recognize it? These females have so much devil in them, they can’t recognize when they’re in the presence of God!!! When the word remnant is used, it means few. A small amount. Now with single black women in Atlanta outnumbering men 20-30 to 1, why is it hard for black men to find black women as wives? I remember when I was at this church service and the purpose talked about women complaining about there not being men. He asked the single black men to stand up and a whole host of men stood up. After he asked the men to sit down, this one guy stayed standing, in whcih the congregation started laughing. He stayed standing for about 15 minutes until he finally sat down. All this complaining black women do about there not being available black men is baloney. Fact is most are too lazy to work with a man to help him build his legacy. A woman is very much part of a Man’s legacy as his children because she carries the seeds!!!! Duh!!! How can a Man form a legacy when the Woman won’t make herself available? You say slavery has stopped us but what about Black Wallstreet? Rosewood? Sweet Auburn? We did more with less. We did better teaching out of one book to a class of fifty than what is taking place right now. Jews probably complain about the holocaust about as much as blacks complain about slavery. The difference is, they set up things for their community separate from the rest of society while black people integrated. That’s not hate: it’s good business. When Toni Braxton referred to giving head as an “oral transaction” she was speaking on behalf of a lot of black women. I’m not saying other groups of women don’t have hoes in their group because they do. But why does the black woman, in general, have to be known as one? Why can’t those who are that be the exception to the rule instead of the rule? One of the firs things black people did after slavery was get married. Why? Because they had been denied one of the most fundamental rights known to man and woman. Some of them adopted children who lost their parents to other plantations after being sold. If you go to Brazil right now, whose slavery didn’t stop until 1886 and was bad too, people will treat you way differently in general that look just like you and me. I remember, years ago, when I told this black chick I was going to Brazil for spring break. Her response was “I heard that a lot of women over there have herpes.” I looked at her with a look of disgust but kept quiet. First off, how in the hell she know that I was going over their to have sex? How did she know I didn’t have family over there? She could have been disrespecting family members and not even know it. Secondly, she acted as if black women in the states don’t have problem with STD’s. Hellooooooo. Have you seen the stats on black women here? There was a story saying a lot of men were starting to develop throat cancer because of having oral sex with black women who had HPV. Why was this black woman so hateful of Brazilian women? Because women tend to hate women they can’t compete with (especially black women). I have seen black women show other black women supreme hate when they thought they looked better than them. Reports are that Malcolm X had a problem with Elijah Muhammad because of him screwing black women within the NOI. He felt that this behavior would undo the organization according to his autobiography. If this is true, look at what happened to him. The problem is not black people a lot of times: it’s black women. You are a brother who wants to move forward, be economically successful, positive and all that. Why do you have to find a Queen? With all this complaining that black women do about not having available black men to marry, it would seem they would be knocking down your door with at least 20-30 women outside. If black women learned to start putting their 40,000 a year, with the black man’s 20-30,000, they could do great damages. Marry each other, don’t have kids until you’re financially sound and know that you can stand each other, and you’d be surprised how you can come up. But in order to do this, you actually have to love and respect your black man. And by your answer to my question concerning if you were married or not, it’s quite clear that black women don’t respect men of your or my caliber. They respect lil wayne or the preacher they let run through they drawls in the pastor’s office. When I got maried, it was to a foreign woman (Haiti). She was not a black woman from the states. I remember when I was married I was dealing with this black chick. She told me a story about her ex-boyfriend being in a bad car accident and being injured really bad. Soon after, I stopped hearing from her. Now I met my ex-wife a few months later and decided to marry her. A few months later the other chick hits me out of the blue. I was like “hey what’s up. How’s it going?” She said everything is going good. Now mind you, she never gave me an explanation as to why she just dropped off the face of the earth. She wanted to know if we could hook up. I told her I couldn’t because i was engaged. Her response pn the phone was priceless. She was completely dumbfounded. She was like “a few months ago we were just dealing with each other. What happened?” I said “well after you told me your ex was in a bad accident, I surmised you were probably gonna get back with him out of pity when you stopped calling me so I moved on. I always wanted to be married and I found a woman who fit what I was looking for and asked her to marry me.” She felt so stupid. She hung up the phone dejected because she realized she wasted time on her ex and could have been married to me had she let the dude go because obviously things didn’t work out for her with him which is why she was calling me back. The sad thing is, these women think they can hop from bed to bed with different men and think it won’t make them crazy. Pleeeeeeease. Most black women I know, who have had sex with multiple men, are crazy and they should be because only a crazy woman would do it. What woman in her right mind would sleep with 15-30 dudes? That’s asinine and that is not slavery either; that’s feminism. What you’ll keep thinking is slavery is feminism. Feminism has taught these women that they don’t need men and they can sleep with as many men as as men sleep with women, not realizing that the reason why men sleep with so may women is because they are trying to find a good woman. Hence the reason why so many men and women are chasing their tail like dogs. Women want the freedom of feminism while men are looking for families. Show me any successful white man out here, or Indian, or Chinese, and majority of them will be married or were at some point in time. From my conversation on here, you don’t think my eye is discerning enough to spot a woman who is worth marrying? I was married for six years and it didn’t take me six years to know if the woman was right for me at that particular time. I’m a black man on here telling other black men to stop chasing ass. It’s clear I don’t want black women to be hoes. However, it’s clear they want to be and there is nothing you Terence or myself can do to change that. The only way to stop it is to tell black women “we are only gonna marry those who are virtuous and virgins.” Now this will weed out many but whose fault is that? Some of them will have to eat it because they are so bad and why would God have Man marry something so bad, when his reason for its creation was companionship in the first place? God will never do that to Man and that is not racial: that’s scientific (spiritual). People think God and science is separate. really? Give a woman a rose and watch how that rose (science) makes a woman feel loved (spiritual). I know wtf I’m talking about because I know me well enough to know what i will tolerate and I will not tolerate a backsliding, disloyal, loose ass, low self-esteem, black woman. That is what black women have presented themselves to be and that is something they need to take up with their Creator because before they talk smack to me, they need to get right with Him first before she can even breathe in my direction and chances are if she is 25 and up and not married, she is nt right with Him and why waste my time on a creature who is not right with God? Does that make sense? I never seen in scripture where Man was required to turn a hoe into a housewife. No matter if it was the Quran or Bible. You prove Terence that with all this positive stuff you’re talking, black women don’t wanna hear it. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t like seeing black women do this to themselves. But that’s the key: they are doing in to themselves. But I love to see balance restored and the only way balance will be restored is by seeing black women go through what they are going through because when they start seeing black men get with different groups of women, making babies, and forming families that stand for something, they won’t be able to say that black men ain’t worth shit. Because if these men are valued by other women of other groups, then why can’t black women work with them? And if what you say is true about black women’s problem being due to Post Tramautic Slavery Disorder (which I doubt) then that means white men control her anyway and she’s not my property or concern anyway. If he has that much control of her mind then doesn’t he own her? Remember, by natural law, when a Man captivates a woman’s heart, he has control over her body. Pimps teach you that. Any boy can can stick penis in a woman but a Man knows how to speak to the heart of a Woman. But it’s up to that Woman to decide what’s in her heart in the first place. Blaming slavery for black women’s behavior now is disrespectful to those who went through t because they would have gladly traded in their experience for the luxuries black women enjoy now. Delivering babies and then being forced to go back out in the fields and pick cotton? Are you kidding me. Bruh there is no comparison. None whatsoever. But leave it to black people to pass the buck onto teri answers for their sorry present state of affairs. That’s what they do. And just to let you know, the same black women who hated me standing up for myself and being a Man in my earlier years, who fought me so hard, were the same black women who were looking for me on facebook and once they found out I was divorced, were trying to get bakc with me. “Oh I get it, you got your head busted by weak niggas and now you trying to come back to that dude who you knew how to show you love.” I was always that starter dude. I was always that dude who showed black women true love for the first time and scared the shit out of them and they ran. But in the end, they came back home. The only problem was, there is a foreclosure sign on that door now with a big lock on the door knob. There is nothing honorable about taking an unnecessary ass whipping. The hate black women chowed me over the years taught me how to better love myself and for that lesson I appreciate them. I will admit the black woman is a great teacher in her own right if you understand what she is trying to teach you. I give her much respect as an adversary on the battlefield. But on the chessboard of life, i have replaced her with a new queen. That’s just the bottom line. I will not be broke in the pockets nor have a broken home and that is guaranteed with the present black woman. Can she change? Of course. Anyone can. Will she? Highly doubt it. I’ll be honest, if the black woman was on the stock market, I wouldn’t pick her stock. That’s just bad business. I don’t know too many black men with black women who are extremely happy. I just don’t see it. I see plenty of henpecked black men who resigned themselves to the bullying they dish out and if you’re the type of black man who believes he owes it to the black woman to be crucified for what her father did or did not do or the men she has allowed to run over her, then by all means, have at it. If you choose to be their Jesus Christ, then so be it. I have way more to accomplish on this earth than to spend my time wasting it on a woman who claims she knows God, but does Satan’s bidding on an everyday basis. We all know that humanity comes through the womb of a black woman. So since we know this, we know that Eve was a black woman. The original woman of the planet defied God, as she does now, and it is not a coincidence why this woman globally, is catching hell. From Africa, to the Carribean, to the US she is getting pummeled through her own hand and wants misery for company and is the reason why she does what she does to the black man because other men know better. They might fuck the black woman, but they have sense enough to leave it at that. Keep it carnal and that’s it. I say all the time, my problems with black women did not start until I tried loving them. The problem with people is that they always are trying to see the good in people. Everybody is not all bad. Hell I’m sure even Hitler had some endearing qualities. However, the question you must ask yourself is “does their good outweigh their bad?” If it does, then cool. However, if their bad outweigns their good, then you better run and in my experience, black women and their good doesn’t outweigh their bad. Are they attractive? Of course. But I can’t build a leagacy off of physical atrributes. I need a woman of substance who is ready to move forward and establish something worthwhile. The only thing black women want to establish is dominion over black men. And black men let them. One of the hardest decisions I ever made in life was to walk away from the womb I came from but that let me know it was the right decision. Because it was hard. You have to remember Terence, I was just like you in 2008. When a black dyke heard me talking about marriage and family and white picket fences she said to me “I didn’t think black men like you still existed.” She later said after conversing with me that “I will never be with a black woman.” I asked why. She stated that ” most black women cannot deal with a man like you. They are used to telling other black men what to do and showing them how to be men. However, you’re wuite confident in who you are as a Man and don’t need a woman telling you how to be a Man because you already know how to. Most black women can’t deal with that.” I was talking the same stuff you were talking terence then. Th white man this, slavery that, Jim Crow blah blah blah blah. It took a black woman telling me the truth before I would listen to it. I used to beat down black men like so many other black men do until I looked at what was really going on out here. When it got to the point where I couldn’t defend black women anymore, I had to start analyzing her. I knew in junior high school black women were stupid. I’m not being funny either. i saw how black chicks in high school chased dudes who treated them like dirt, and shunned those who tried to show them love. Now since I got so much attention back then, I really didn’t didg deeper as to why. Only when I got older and was trying to be in marriages did these moments in time come back to me. The same things I saw in high school out of black women, I see now in black women in their 20’s, 30’s. 40’s and beyond. Nothing, and I eman nothing has changed with black women concerning their approach to relationships concerning black men. They are disrespectful, vindictive, hateful, and look to make black men lives a living hell. So imagine me with 20 years of evidence ot back me up on this because, whther black women realize it or not, I have been watching them very closely. My nature is observant. I’m a Scorpio and we do not play at all. So when i add up all this evidence, my answer is clear. See most dudes can’t articulate the way I do, but I can promise you, plenty of black men out here feel the same way. The difference is most of them feel guilty about what they know to be true about black women: I don’t. I don’t feel guilty about telling the truth about them. It is what it is. I just thank God he loved me enough to reveal the truth to me. Now those black women on here who knock what I say, you actually think I care about them? Who are they to me? If I asked them for some money on the street as a black man in this system will they heal and help me? Of course they wouldn’t. But is someone was trying to rob them, that same black woman would run to that homeless black man seeking his protection. I am about reciprocity, not equality and these are two different things. How can you love a Woman who seeks to do you harm? If we see a woman getting her ass physically beat by a man, we would say she is crazy. Why isn’t it the same for black men who keep running to the black woman for salvation when she keeps handing his ass to him? Don’t you think that’s crazy too? I’m balanced on both sides family. If black women are crazy for loving physically abusive men then black men are crazy for loving mentally abusive women. Botf of you’ll are crazy!!! Lol…that’s why I say there is no saving that. It’s not to be mean. I’m just stating the truth. You know my ex used to say “if you really love me, you would try to help me heal through my pain.” I would look at her and say “wtf you think I’m doing here now?” She would say that by me leaving, I didn’t really love her. That shit used to make me wanna whip her ass right there. I take your abuse thinking I can heal you, yet when I get tired of taking it and leave, I never really loved you? That is sickness terence that no human can heal. But at the same time, this chick was setting up dates behind my back with other dudes. LOL!!!!! It’s game bruh!!!!! All this black love shit is game!!!! When it came down to it, her not loving me had nothing to do with slavery. It came down to her not being capable of being selfless. Love is an act of selflessness. The word that comes to mind first when I think of a black woman is selfishness, not selflessness. And let me leave you with this scripture and commentary from Proverbs:
“He who finds a wife finds a god thing. And obtains favor from the Lord”
Commentary: How many single women do you know who are almost consumed by the desire to get married? There are so many women who are longing for a relationship they are not ready to receive. If you are going to walk with God, you must understand something: Tming is everything. When the Lord has prepared the right man for you and you for him, and that man shows up at the right time, you must be sure that you are in the right place with the right perspective to receive all that God wants to release to you.
Often, because of lod issues you haven’t dealt with or old wounds that haven’t healed, you may find yourself wandering around in a stupor somewhere, emotionally unprepared for a healthy relationship. You will not be able to be the “good thing” you were meant to be in your husband’s life. Unless you are healed and whole, your man will not feel that He’s enjoying the Lord’s favor in his relationship with you
Ladies, men do not exist to bring the favor of the Lord to your lives, either. You find the favor of the Lord by being the woman He created you to be–by breaking the chains with which the devil had you bound, by knowing the Lord passionately and intimately, by walking in His power and worshipping Him with your life. You must take responsibility for making yourself, with God’s help, the good thing He wants you to be.
Notice that the Bible does not say that whoever finds a woman finds a good thing. It says that whoever finda a wife finds a good thing. But how can you be a wife before you have a husband? You become a wife in your spirit. Yes, you become a wife in your spirit before you ever get married. That way, you will be prepared to be a wife in other ways. If you are not prepared, if you do not have the annointing of the Holy Spirit, you will find yourself dragginf your ugly past into what could be the most beautiful relationship of your life.
My sister, do what you need to do in order to be whole. The Lord heals. The Lord mends. The Lord restores. And He will make you a woman of strength, grace and wholeness. When He has done His work, you will be such a good thing.”
Like I said before Terence, it is not your job to save these women because you can never be redemption for anyone. You could be used as a tool through which the message of redemption comes through. But that’s about it. Jesus was the message of redemption, not redemption itself. By living a certain you can come back to the graces of the Creator. But you definitely, as a Woman, will not get there by abusing Man and think he will bless you with marriage. The commentary state that “men do not exist to bring the favor of the Lord to your lives, either. You find the favor of the Lord by being the woman He created you to be.” The woman He created woman to be was one who was obedient to him first. Remember, Man did not get dominion over woman until she sinned. The original woman’s only commandment, when first created, was to be Man’s companion. So all these women out here with their degrees, and jobs, and throwing it up in the black man;s face, are so far away from what they are supposed to be, Black women better be glad black men stayed around as long as they have. That shows you how merciful we have become. However, in that scripture, it didn’t say what color that woman was to be either. It just says wife. No black woman can escape the bullshit she is exhbiting out here. That spiritual scope is on you. If you’re gonna criticize men for being dogs, then criticize the bitches he lays down with as well. because if the bitches didn’t exist, the dogs couldn’t. Your man can either be a Lion (who protects the cubs which are the legacy) or he can be a dog (randomly inseminating bitches in his travels) and moving on. Neither one is wrong per se, you just have to know what type of woman you are. And if you are the bitch type, don’t run down to child support trying to make a Man be responsible, when you weren’t responsible enough to at least be married before you had a child and now have a bastard child and are looking for other people (courts) to do your job for you. Now if any woman challenges this, it proves how truly worthless they are. I’ve actually seen enough to know that most are anyway. It will just further confirm what I have seen all these years. I could write a book on this shit but it would be a waste of time. Most of these black women refuse to change because they don’t fear God. The words i speak come from that Bible so when they reject me, they are rejecting God, so what else is there to talk about?
@ Ramses
I love you Brother because in your own way, you’re trying to help our people, and I don’t want you to feel I’m disagreeing with what you and hoodgirl are saying. You both speak the truth, but what I am trying to get you to see is that you’re looking on the surface of things. You’re only looking at the effects and not the causes. You mentioned the situation in the department store where you said if you were white, the child and mother would have obeyed you. You also mentioned about Harriet Tubman having to force people to freedom. There are two things in common here, and this is why I believe the negative affects from slavery still exist. In each example there was a fear of the white man. So much so that some of our ancestors were afraid to be free. Kind of sounds like the mentality we have today if you think about it.
This may not be the best example because there were serious penalties if you were caught. My point is in both cases they were programmed to fear the white man. You see this play out in many ways as you already know. This type of programming has not been addressed to the level it should. I also think this is why we don’t work together for fear of what would happen if we did, like the loss of a job, funding, etc. You also mentioned about the Indians who were colonized and why they can come here and own businesses and we can’t. You can say the same thing about any people who were colonized, even Africans, although I think they concentrate more on education. But they were also programmed negatively. In the case of India, It took Gandhi and others like him to let his people know that they actually had the power, not the Europeans, same thing in Africa.
But still, how does the smallest population (European) of only 10% control the rest of the 90%? Initially it is by force, but after time it’s mentally. They still control our resources in Africa. The difference between those who were colonized and us are they still had their identity intact. They know where they came from; they know their language and history. We don’t have any of that. We have Black bodies, with a European mind. In Africa to this day they think as a community, the European thinks as an individual unless it benefits them. This is why as you said we did better as a community segregated than we do now with this so called integration. We also had no one to rely on but ourselves. As individuals we are doing okay, but as a community, well we really don’t have one. I’m trying to get our people to realize we can do more together than we can apart.
As far as my personal information, I grew up in the hood and was a knuckle head when I was younger. I believe you, Sankofa, and Mack call them Kneegrows or something like that. LOL, I had a totally different mindset then I do now. It sounds pathetic but, I thought the only way to come up was through sports or drugs, even though I had family members who had degrees and were successful. But even around that environment, my mentality was focused on the negative. Fortunately a seed was planted, that finally grew and allowed me to become a seeker of the knowledge of self and then knowledge in general. I guess you would call me a late bloomer. Having that kind of knowledge, you can’t go back to the way you were. So no, I’m not married and it’s partly my fault, but also based on the things you mentioned about our Sisters. But I do know my Queen is out there, I just haven’t met her yet. The last thing I want to say is to not give up on your Sisters. I believe there’s a hoodgirl out there for you too, but you won’t find her if you’re not looking for her.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
@Ramses We agree on many things. “You know how many years I spent cajoling, making excuses, sitting in meetings with Black people talking? What did it solve? Nothing. Why? Because talking will not solve your problems. At some point you have to start doing.” Granted and agreed. But I turn others of your question back on you: How do you know that there are not Black families that sit down and discuss the direction of their families? How do you know that in the entire mass of Black people in North America, there are not SOME worth the effort? How do you know there is no remnant? How do you know Terrance — and others like him — has nothing in terms of DOING to offer?
I take your actual question: “How do you know that what you call saving might [not] be thwarting God’s will?” There are several reasons, of which I will only share one: it has always been God’s will to save SOME. It is consistent through the Bible — THOROUGH reading is fundamental. Now, God’s judgments are terrible in the true sense of the word — I referenced the time that He spared eight out of what may have been BILLIONS of people. A little later — you referenced Lot’s wife a little while ago — He spared a father and two daughters out of five entire cities, not because they were great people, as the rest of the chapter proves, but because of His GRACE, in concert with the prayer of a not-perfect-but-generally-righteous man by the name of Abraham. Now God would have remained perfectly righteous had He destroyed each and every person in those two cases — and by that token, I do not say that you are WRONG in your observations. But your observation is not the whole of the picture. Black people as a group are indeed in need of serious discipline. But as individuals, some are too young to have “transgressed,” some have remained pure, and some have come through their discipline and are working to get right. Over and over again, provisions have been made for them — Terrance is working to provide, and we all know, don’t we, that a Black man working to provide ought to be respected, right?
Now about those loopholes… “And if black people continue to stray from the Path, which they seem like they are content with doing for the foreseeable future, then there is nothing your Hope can do to assuage the Wrath of our Creator. That head will get bust wide open. Look in your book and tell me if I am wrong. The very thing that I talk about is in there. Or did you forget.” — no, I didn’t forget. But, THOROUGH READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. “I will continue to wield the sword until there is no reason to. Even your Jesus said he will return with a Flaming Sword. What does that imply to you? That doesn’t look like hope to me. That looks like some heads will be getting taken off from the Lamb. I want black people to see my words and know that they will not shirk their responsibilties and try to blame other people for their shortcomings.” Correct in every point. But the key words are “SOME HEADS WILL BE GETTING TAKEN OFF.” That requires that some heads WILL NOT be coming off. And indeed, the book you referenced is that of Revelation, and you are referring to chapter 19 (the sword does not flame, but proceeds from His mouth; the flaming sword is in Genesis); in chapter 7 of that same book, there are two groups of people, one of which is so large that no man can number it, that are saved out of the worst series of judgments in all of Holy Writ. The Book is consistent from beginning to end in describing God’s commitment preserving that remnant… THOROUGH reading remains fundamental! It is upon that consistency that many of those who are concerned about the welfare of the remnant of Black people, those who will either be taught better or decide to do better, stand.
“I have spent years trying to fight this mentality when maybe I should be trying to capitalize off of it since these women love the hoe culture. Because clearly when I speak against it, it’s a problem.” Not for me. The specific problem that caused me to address you column-foot for column-foot on this occasion is that you felt the need to be dismissive of the ideas and efforts of someone who has a different approach than you to deal with the problems among Black people, someone who is a valued colleague to me. Not that Terrance Amen needs me to defend him; his body of work stands for itself. But he is a Black man I have worked with and respect, who is doing what he can for the Black people he can right here in North America. So I come on here to make a distinction for all readers of discerning mind: Just because YOU are “tired of the negro and negress and their excuse making” doesn’t mean Terrance and those of like mind are wrong. You have a valid reason to be tired. Others have equally valid reasons to NOT be tired — to not get weary in well-doing, as the Scripture elsewhere reads — on behalf of Black people right here in North America.
Far from a prophet of doom lol!!! just making an observation….I never said don’t help anyone. I actually plan on adopting children in the future in south american when I move there because of family down there that really do need help. Black people in the States do not need help because that would suggest they are lacking in terms of the ability to or upward mobility. This is disingenious to say the least. Black people need a spanking. When you get a spanking from a parent, what is the object of that spanking? Is it to make you feel good about yourself? Noooo. Is it to hurt you? No. It is meant as a reset button for your behavior to get you back into line. Remember, there is a reason why hell exists for a reason. There are people who are not gonna get it right and you definitely won’t get it right by going against the most basic laws of nature. Notice how i said start with families first. I never said don’t try to help your families. How many of our families have ever just convened a meeting of the adults and children and had a discussion about the direction of the family? What is so hard about that? You’re trying to save a group of people, who won’t even sit down with their own family members, and discuss the direction of each other’s lives themselves. And you think a book will solve that? How many spiritual books do we have on earth? Dozens. People perish for a lack of knowledge. Not because the knowledge is lacking but because the people reject it. You know how many years I spent cajoling, making excuses, sitting in meetings with Black people talking? What did it solve? Nothing. Why? Because talking will not solve your problems. At some point you have to start doing. There is nothing to debate about 1+1=2. For you Bible thumping blacks, you’ll sure do have a way of creating a loophole for your kind. I didn’t know God created loopholes. Also, let me ask you this; how do you know that God isn’t allowing what is happening to black people? After all, we know what happens to a people after messengers are sent to them and they don’t listen. They get destroyed. Deann, from what you see from black people (especially your sisters), is God not well within his right to destroy those who add no value to the group? Need I remind you, Abraham Lincoln did not free your people. That was Divine Intervention if I ever saw it. A people who were so comfrotable in slavery that harriet Tubman had to pull guns on people to get them to run. So imagine you’re God and you delivered these people from Pharaoh and 140 years later, this is what they have to offer you. What would you do? Have not black people had enough chances to work with one another? To love each other? To support each other? How do you know that what you call saving might be thwarting God’s will? Have you ever seen a Black Man successfully save his people? Why is that? Is it because maybe the people he tries to save need to do their damn job themselves? Black people and this Messiah complex has really gotten old. Even for God. How many Messiahs you need? Don’t dismiss what I say as gloom when I read that same book you read and more. Nat Turner read that same book and picked up the gun, while black people sat on their hands in enslavement. So who is right? Are you? Was Nat? Am I? All I can say is this: I’m tired of the negro and negress and their excuse making. If Indians can come here and franchise Dairy Queens and Subways, what is black people’s excuse. You think Indians weren’t colonized? You think they didn’t get their ass whipped? They are forced sometimes to leave their homeland, and come here to try and do better, only to get robbed and sometimes murdered by degenrate black people. I don’t hear stories about Indians robbing blacks. I don’t hear stories about mexicans robbing black men who go out here and work under the legal radar for their families and carry a lot of cash money on them. Blacks do that to them. We hate whitey, mock the Mexican and Indian for practicing collective economics and show contempt for them when they operate businesses in “our” so-called neighborhoods. I don’t need hope because I plan for success. What is hope gonna do for anybody? Effective planning really helps, but hope? I mean if iwas stranded in the jungle and some wolves were about to chew me up, then I would hope someone intervened. But even in a situation like that, I’m not gonna go in the woods without any firepower to protect myself. So even in a situation like that, I plan. Black people always want to deal with God like he a Teddy bear or something. they never want to deal with that wrathful side of him. The biggest killer on this planet is God. When those eartquakes hit, Tsunamis form, and other natural disasters hit he has no problem taking out Man. Woman, or child. No one is above his rapproach. No one. And if black people continue to stray from the Path, which they seem like they are content with doing for the forseeable future, then there is nothing your Hope can do to assuage the Wrath of our Creator. That head will get bust wide open. Look in your book and tell me if I am wrong. The very thing that I talk about is in there. Or did you forget. I will continue to wield the sword until there is no reason to. Even your Jesus said he will return with a Flaming Sword. What does that imply to you? That doesn’t look like hope to me. That looks like some heads will be getting taken off from the Lamb. I want black people to see my words and know that they will not shirk their responsibilties and try to blame other people for their shortcomings. How dare black people get on here and hold white people accountable and then when one of their attempst to hold them acountable, they make excuses or personally attack them. I mean it’s not like I’m advocating women go out here and be hoes. I mean I’m not a rapper on MTV making videos with black women ass plastered over the screen for the world to see. But maybe I need to rethink the rappers angle because maybe they know something I don’t know. Maybe I should hire some hoes to work in the club and pimp e’ like hugh Hefner. I have spent years trying to fight this mentality when maybe I should be trying to capitalize off of it since these women love the hoe culture. Because clearly when I speak against it, it’s a problem. Maybe you are what you are. Lol!!!! Boy to have to die for people’s sins is disgraceful. Black people are quite comfrotable letting someone die for their sins and that really is a lazy way of practicing religion because if you think someone has taken on your sins, then where is the necessity for you to change?
@Ramses ” Black people do not want to admit it but they are under a curse.” That is true. A thorough reading of the Bible would show that humankind in all times has labored under a curse as well. That same thorough reading would also show that the Creator has always been concerned with saving SOME, and required of His people hard, long effort (and of course, enduring the poo-poohing of the local equivalent of Pharisees) to accomplish His goals. I use an example only three chapters away from Adam and Eve’s fall — if there is an ark to be built, and if only eight people get on board, the Creator has consistently wanted the ark built and the messages of both doom AND grace to go out. You are handling the doom part very, very well, Ramses. But that is not everyone’s calling.
There is not a way in the world that the efforts of those that see a future for Black people in North America are going to do much for the majority in a short period of time — even in the specific case of unemployment, one of the things holding Black people back is a lack of respect for authority, and that goes from how we approach people to how we follow instructions. And, the problem does seem to be worse among Black women than men. It is not a problem that is not solvable for the masses by the minority who does know what’s up, at least not within a generation. Messes that take a while to get into take at least that long to get out of, and we are in a MESS covering more than one generation. All that is true.
Be all that as it may, you yourself prove that if a Black person went forward with the idea of helping one in 40 Black people or so (that is the approximate number, if memory serves, in Terrance’s work), there are still Black people that are receptive to the ideas of family and community building, traditional values, and wealth creation, some of whom need to know that there are vehicles by which they can come together and work together. But even if the number were one in 400 or even 4,000, that is still too many Black folks to throw away for some of us, those of us that have relatives, friends, and students who want to do better and need to see models of HOW.
My grandparents and great-grandparents had something in common: they, working in concert with the local organizations (of course, the churches of those days), “saved” their neighborhoods. But they did not just start when they were married; they were already working on it singly and came together to do more. Each brought key pieces to the table, and the mergers were fruitful in every way because the commitment to doing as much good as possible for those around them was already established.
Today, the churches are not doing as well; there is definitely room for that organizational piece to come from elsewhere — hence, what Terrance is trying to build can take up some of that spot. The piece by which we recognize that what we as a majority are doing is leading us to destruction also needs to be presented in no uncertain terms — and you’re doing a great job, Ramses. And there will be room — always — for Black people who are in the work to help those that can be helped to come together as families around whatever pieces of the “ark” they are working on. But the two are NOT mutually exclusive. Natural law can be respected while organizations are built — because again, it’s not everybody’s calling to be a prophet of doom OR to be doomed. And those that claim the Bible supports their position really should read it first — there is not a single prophetical book without a section or two of hope and grace for those that will receive it. Terrance is on THAT side, the side offering hope and grace. So am I. Surely you can respect that without writing column-FEET, not inches, trying to talk us out of it; you are so practical and sensible a man I hate seeing you waste your time…
@Terrence I have a friend who was in Nuwabians, Nation of Islam, 5 Percenters, MSTA (Moorish Science Temple America). He’s 35 now and had been in these groups and started in his late teens. He spent all of his twenties in black organizations and you know what he realized: that these groups were too preoccupied with white folks and were filled with hateful black people. When he was selling bean pies with the nation his mom’s ex-husband asked why was he doing what he was doing and he said “I’m trying to save my people.” His mom’s ex-husband said to him “who told you that was your job.” I bring that up because it’s very important to understand this notion in our brain. Black people are known for being a religious people. Go to church and mosque all the time. What is religion? Religion consists of teaching a people how to conduct themselves socially, relationships wise, and individually. Look at all these churches “we” have in this country. Black people have just about as many chruches out here as there are liquor stores. So the lack of institutions in terms of having places to teach us how to live morally upright lives is not true. So what’s the problem? Why can’t black people do basic things now, that ex-slaves were doing right after slavery (like get married and own businesses)? To say slavery is the cause of all our problems would mean that we would have been a people who accomplished nothing after slavery which is so untrue. Black people’s problem is not slavery, it’s spirituality and the lack of respect for the male figure in the “community.” How can you have a group of people who ultimately reject the position of male authority? Remember, I lived in a house where my great-grandfather was respected as the Patriarch of our family. When he spoke, you listened. His authority was never in question, and if you go to the house we lives in when I was younger, you acted in that house as if he was still alive. You can go to church and hear sermons where you have male preachers who will tear down the male authority in front of men where women will clap and praise!!!! Huh? Women need a healthy fear of men. When women lack a healthy fear of men, they don’t respect you. My grandmother confirmed this for me months back. A woman needs to know that is she gets out of line there is a consquence for that. However, because women know they live in a society where they can call the police on men, even when they are out of line, then where is the accountability? Now I am clearly not advocating abusing women for the suckers who think that’s what I am saying? What I am saying is is that women need to know that their is a clear penalty for reprehensible behavior. Women in the black community need to know that is they live loose lives, then marriage is not in the equation for them. My great granddad lived in segregated Alabama and refused to let my grandmother work because he didn’t want white men approaching her in a sexual manner and said if they did “he would kill them.” My granny submitted to his authority. Period. And by nature (the strength men possess) we Men have a natural authority when it comes to women. I don’t care if you read the Bible, Koran, or the Egyptian Book of The Dead, the same rules apply. When women think they can live unchaste lives and still be married is a silly notion indeed and to demand it is even worse. There was a time in this country when if a girl got pregnant in high school, she was either sent away or child was given up for adoption. Now, they have day cares in school. really!!! Now you have such a proliferation of out-of-wedlock kids, if you speak against it, most black people will get offended and there will not be an opportunity for an honest conversation. Trying to save black people is no man’s responsibility. There is enough data, enough leaders who have written things for us to read, and those who have been successful business wise for us to look up to. It’s not my job nor anyone else’s to solve the problems of people’s individual families. People need to care about their families first and foremost themselves. I had a friend I knew since 7th grade. Met him in 91. I took him to the junior college I went to and helped him fill out his financial aid so he could get in school. All he needed to do was get his GED and he could start school. You think this dude got his GED? Nope. He continued to smoke weed all day and try to fuck chicks he would catch wlaking or driving through his neighborhood. Haven’t talked to this dude since 2010. He was a friend at one point but the negro is a loser. And it was his choice. Time would be better spent trying to get one’s family in order. I’m on the side of what’s gonna work. We have seen the save black people model does not work in the capacity we tried to do it in the 20th century. You had a hundred years of that and where did it get black people? Nowhere. I mean what’s so hard about respecting a Man? I mean we have women who get on here who get real quiet when you start talking about their loose ways. Why? Got something to say about everything else. Why do you hear crickets when you speak out on the their unproductive behavior. What is so productive about being a hoe? I mean my grandmother carried herself respectfully and she wasn’t rich either. I remember a time when women would greet men, they would hold their dress and curtsy (bow) out of respect. I love myself which is why I can give “ladies” respect. So many women out here hate men it’s appalling. You hate men you hate yourself. I talk about the behavior of these females. That’s not hate. It’s called observation. However, you got weak dudes who get on here and say you’re being negative when you hold women accountable!!! The problem with black people is that the black man’s authority has been so compromised, that he can’t wield power when necessary to keep mofo in line. I’m not writing books pleading with black people (most notably black women) to get in line with God’s natural order. If she won’t listen to God, what makes you think she will listen to you? This is basic living. My grandparents came through some scary times but they carried themselves like royalty and they weren’t rich monetarily. But they honored God, each other, and my granny embraced my grandfather leading the family. Black women think it lessens them to let a Man lead. The natural order is he leads anyway. It’s not about letting him do anything. It’s about respecting his natural position in the first place. If a woman in 2013 does not believe a Man’s natural position is to lead then what can you do with that? No matter how much you want that black shit to work, that woman will not allow you to move forward and the one thing I learned about black women is, when she doesn’t want to do something, even when it’s the right thing to do, she will not do it. Ask any man on here and he’ll tell you that. @terence you wanns know why i get so much flack on here? Because I don’t ask for authority. I don’t plead with black women on here to respect me. I say what it is and you wither hate it or love it. Black men need to know how to command respect. And you command respect through force of will. It’s like that Batman shit. He was busy trying to save people and even when he was doing good, people looked at him like a criminal. Bane, on the other hand, moved people through sheer force of will. He wasn’t limited by emotion like so many men out here are. Bane had a job to do and he knew how to get that shit done. He didn’t ask for respect. He took that shit. It’s also like that Darth Vader shit as well. In Star Wars, revenge of the Sith, Annaken, before he became, Darth only wanted to be with his wife and his family. Yoda kept trying to keep him from usinh his power because they knew how powerful he was. However, he didn’t know at first. But once he found out how truly powerful he was, he went slap the fuck off. Bad guys are always misunderstood because people are always trying to get those who they feel are more powerful than them to conform. I’m not conforming to the weak shit black people have become. if they want to be weak, that’s on them. But don’t try to get me to start some organization, that wouldn’t be needed, if your silly asses would just do the basic things you claim you are about as you hold that Bible in your hand. If you go to church or mosques then as far as I’m concerned, you know how to properly live or either you’re playing with God. Are you telling me @terence that white people are more powerful that God? I mean the info is in that Bible or Koran. You mean to tell me that what white people are allegedly doing to you resonates more to you than what God says? When you got women who will have sex with a man for a Coach bag, how am I gonna fix that? I just received from my friend that I said was in all these black groups, and he saw an old professor of his who said “the black students don’t give a fuck anymore.” I’m supposed to helo your kid who gets out of line in public, but if I put my hands on him or her, then you’re gonna want to fight me or sue me. When i worked at this department store years ago, this white boy and black girl were riding bikes in the store. The store policy was to not allow them to do this because it was a liability waiting to happen. I told both of them to ge off the bikes respectfully and immediately, the white boy complied. However, the light skinned black girl said to me “I heard you the first time.” Mind you the lil bitch (and yes at seven years old she was that) was with her mother. She went and told her mother on me as if I disrespected her by doing my job. Do you know her mother came over to me and said to me “my daughter told you she heard you the first time.” Now i could clearly see that because her daughter was light skinned and cute, she was used to getting her way. Typical nigger shit. I explained it was store policy to not let kids ride bikes in the store because they could fall and get hurt and I don’t make the rules but if you have a problem with the rules you’re more than welcome to speak with the store manager. You know what the bitch said. She says “come on girl let’s leave we don’t have to spend any money here.” Now imagine how I felt. I’m a Man just doing my job and I felt like uppercutting the bitch and her child like the black man on the bus in Cleveland. The black mother co-signed her seven year old daughter disrespecting me and when I checked her on the store policy, the bitch got all uptight!!! You think I give a damn about slavery when I’m just trying to do my job and make a living? What the hell does that have to do with this brawd of a lower mentality allowing her daughter to disrespect me? You’ll know how I get down on here. You know how much of my tongue I had to bite at that moment. But if I was a white man saying that to them, I can promise you I wouldn’t have gotten that response. It would have been a yer sir and she would have made her daughter apologize to this white man. This is what old folks uses to call a lack of “hometraining.” We had ancestors who came out of slavery who carried themselves with dignity, grace, and class. You think ancestors will allow this excuse making that is going on right now? Imagine if you were enslaved back then and then transported to this time frame. Would you want to hear these excuses knowing what you had to go through druring slavery? Coming from an era where it was against the law for your people to read and now you have people who say “I hate to read.” You hate to read? Mofo you are in a knowledge based economy. You have people becoming billionaire’s out of their dorms in college because of their use of knowledge. The Indian woman who started “Evite” started it in her dorm room with this other dude. And then you have a people who say they don’t want to read. Who will God honr more? And for you black people think that because you’re Christian, you’re more favored by God are sadly mistaken. Plenty of Hindu Indians out here doing very well because religion for them is not a gang affiliation like black people like to exhibit with their church flags on their cars like they in the crips and bloods. their religion is a way of life. A black chick told me in 2008 that there is a big difference between her white and black friends and her Indian and Middlee eastern friends. She said her Indian and Middle Eastern friends know that, in their culture, virginity is currency. She said, on the other hand, her black and white friends will suck and fuck (her words) anything moving. She said that she understands why black men look at overseas women as a better option for marriage. She admitted the lack of integrity of American women. Indian men will not marry a woman knowingly that is not a virgin. This is basic stuff. I mean read your Bibles black people (especially women). Quoting scriptures and living them are two differen things. Too many women out here are not living these scriptures. What does slavery have to deal do with a chcik going out here and stripping on poles? My granny didn’t do it. She wasn’t in the club like some cheap fluzy begginf for attention. She had all the attention she needed from my grandfather. Too many women out here are attention whores and keep so many men around them, they won’t do the adult thing and make a choice and move forward. The sad thing is Terence is that the more our people were limited, the better we did. The more freedom we had, the worse we became. You will not solve any black people’s problems until the woman gets back in her place. If black women want to keep occupying a Man’s place, then she can’t complain when a Man’s not around because no real Man will sit around and beg a woman to respect him and for permission to be a Man. I know I won’t. Never have never will. I have had conflict with black women over the years when it came to them challenging my aothority and I don’t know if you ever looked a black woman in the eye when she is so demonically possessed, she will risk death by your hands, rather than give you the authority. If you haven’t, let me tell you, it’s a scary sight. I have had to lay hands on black women solely because they have fought my authority. Never been an abusive man and do not operate like that at all. But when you deal with a woman who has a demon in her (and rejecting men authority is demonic) you have to do what you have to do. We will consider Satan a demon. And Satan got Eve to disobey God’s first law. Now his second law she disobeys as well and black women think they will prosper after that? God gives you everything and it’s not godd enough. Then as punishment, Man has dominion over you and you disobey God again? Need I say more terence? Your organization will never trump Natural law. How about holding your accountable first. Seems to me there are men out here who can use a wife. Are you married? If not why not? You seem to be a positive dude. Why hasn’t a woman hitched herself to your wagon? If you’re not married have you ever been? I don’t expect you to answer publicly on here I just pose the question to get you to think about what I’m getting at.
@ Sankofa, hoodgirl and Ramses
Thank you, Sankofa, you did a great job in explaining what I was talking about, but there is one thing I notice about people, including myself, and that is people will hear what they want to hear. In all my comments on this site, I never said I hate white people because it takes too much time and effort from what I really want to do. I have said I hate what white people have done to us and are still doing to us. I’ve always said that we as a people are the problem and also the solution. I don’t dwell on the past, but I believe as Sankofa said you should know it in order to learn from it. Ramses all the issues you talked about in the Black community are a direct result of the slave mind. You keep saying we are messed up and sick, but you refuse to see where the sickness came from.
You and hoodgirl think that by focusing only on one thing (economics) this will change everything.
But you said it yourself, we haven’t focused on that. By the way I cover economics in my book. I tried to cover the business side, but I also cover why we don’t have businesses even though it would help us become more independent rather then dependent. I won’t go over some of the things you said because Sankofa did an excellent job in saying what I was talking about. But I will address a few things he didn’t mention. Hoodgirl as far as Malcolm X being killed, he was killed because he got too involved in the press and they can be your best friend, or your worst enemy. He was killed because he talked about personal issues regarding the Leader of the Nation of Islam and that was not acceptable then and probably not now either, with any great leader. Hoodgirl you also said Malcolm changed his mindset when he realized that the people he called devils were also Muslims.
But he also started the OAU, (Organization of African Unity) and this organization was for Black people only because he knew we needed to solve our own problems. Ramses you mentioned that Malcolm X would have been better off becoming a lawyer, but it was the Nation that took him from the gutter (mind) and turned him into the man we all admire today, where he was able to reach his full potential. They also did this for a lot of our Brothers and Sisters. This is basically what I’m trying to do, without the religious part. Unfortunately you still had people who thought on lower levels and became jealous of him and wanted to bring him down. The Nation is not perfect, but they did a lot for our people. Malcolm X was just one example. What I realize is we are in different camps. I won’t say what camp you are in because you already know.
The camp I’m in is the one you mentioned Ramses, and that is the camp that believes in his people strong enough that I am willing to strive to help my people be the best they can be, in all areas of their lives. I know it won’t be easy, but it will be worth it. You mentioned how you respect your ancestors, but now you’re telling people that we are a lost cause and shouldn’t even bother. Well if our ancestors followed that logic, their would be no Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers and all the other individuals and organizations that gave up their lives to help bring our people together. I believe that by working together, just like every other ethnic group, we can become financially independent and happy, and I’m dedicating the rest of my life to see it happen. If that makes me a fool, I’ll be in great company.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
A quote from Ramses — “Black people hate themselves too much to make money together. Look at all the musicians who formed teams and made money together but are not even talking to each other anymore.”
That is true — I comment on it because it is in my particular field — but it also illustrates something else: a lot of hatred is manifested out of sheer ignorance of how things work. I teach music business: all those groups would have needed in terms of their original material was to understand how to write a split letter (showing who owned what of the song at the time it was created) and then work out copyright registration (or at least understand it before the record company got involved). But one thing is for certain, then and now: no one is going to educate us but us. It is good that we have here on this one page a tremendous number of serious-minded Black people with access to serious resources who are willing to refer to material and support each other — that is a hopeful sign!
@hoodgirl as always information I can use….I got tired of receiving infromation passed off to me as intellectual or spiritual, but I couldn’t make any money off of….as a wise brother once asked “you can’t find an angel to spot you a twenty.” Lol… Our bodies are born of the earth which is why our flesh returns to it. However our spirit separates us from the average animal because our balance comes from trying to balance the animal within self with this same spirit, if dealt with properly, can take us to Mars and beyond (literally). Blacks criticize whites for taking up yoga, and wearing traditional clothing, or embracing eastern philoshphies or anything that tries to allow them to tap into the ancient sciences of old as if we have a monopoly on it. News flash: we don’t. We think because we are born in these vehicles (human flesh) it gives us a sense of racial superiority but it does not. I used to think like that and honestly it wsd some evil shit to try to make whites feel bad for being pale just like it was evil for some of them to make us feel bad for how we look but that happens externally and internally in groups as well. I’ll never forget when a white male, in his 40’s gave me a compliment on my braids in best buy some years back. He was absolutely astonished as to the intricate way the braide were done and told me they looked cool. Malcolm X said that one of his biggest mistakes was when the white girl asked what could she do to help his cause and he looked at her and told her nothing. He regretted this deeply and even he said that he did an untold amount of damage in his early philosophy regarding white people. He said he was gonna spend the rest of his life trying to undo the wrong he did in preaching hate in his early career. You can defend yourself without hating other people for doing it. I saw a story on CNBC of this small African country, being ran by some African niggers, where the president’s son makes 96,000 a year government salary, but was able to afford a private 38 million dollar jet and a palatial estate in California valued at 30 million dollars. Do the math. It’s not the white man fault that African countries won’t reinvest in ther people and would rather waste moneyi in such measures. Until black people deal with the devil within themselves (and they do have one like all mankind does) then they will continue to be in the position they are in. We won’t even hold African countries for their participation in the slave trade which is well documented. Why are we so whitey whitey whitey when it comes to slavery but won’t deal with darky? Even John Henrik Clarke describing the difference between the slavery of the Arabs and Caucasians was very different. He said we had it a whole lot better under whites than we did under arabs and I agree wholeheartedly. But if we think our history is unblemished, then you better think again. I get sick of Boyce Watkins writing these same tired ass articles about what white folks need to do, or about what Barack needs to do. Last time I checked, Barack don’t have a baby mama, he has a wife. And I see a lot of negroes out here with the same hate those slaves had for Django in the movie: the hatred of those who are slaves in the mind against those who are free in their mind. The only job government has is to make sure the economic environment is open enough for you to be able to do basic things. I don’t see black people around me pooling their resources together to form investments firms. Is there any law stopping them? No. I don’t see blacks investing in their sons to become doctors and then that son starting a business into which the family can build a practice and grow from that point. Chinese families do. If America is so bad, then why are people building rafts to get here while black people are trying to go to Africa? There is a serious disconnect here for real. Africans might come off humble and soft spoken but I don’t believe that shit one bit. You have to be humble to be getting your ass whipped on your on land. To see people enjoying your resources because you negroes from different tribes couldn’t come together and resist a common foe. Those African leaders kill anybody who tries to expose their corruption quicker than what happens here in America. At least in America they will let you get your shit off for a few years. In Africa, try to speak out on corruption if you want to. Them niggas will shoot your plane out the sky quicker than you can say Shaka Zulu and don’t think they look at you as brothers and sisters over there because you will spend all that money on a ticket to go there and end up seeing how much they hate you. I will invest there privately because I don’t discriminate in making money. But investing in the people? Hell no. Bastards over there cutting off kids limbs and shit. Selling children to sick Westerners as sex slaves. You’ll better stop hating on the US so much and realize that you are in heaven compared to these other places. The beautiful thing here is you can engage in cmmerce like you can’t in other places. Places like Africa and India, you know how many people you have to bribe to get shit going? At least their is some rules to try to limit this (you can never eliminate it). We are looking for perfection and demanding it from whites, but not from ourselves as far as blacks people are concerned. If things were so bad in this country, how could a Black Wallstreet exist in the first place? And if we would have armed ourselves, do we think something like that would have taken place? No..I doubt it. But we actually had our own banking insitutions 50 years after slavery. You’ll mean to tell me it’s worse now than it was then? Alonzo Herndon became a millionaire selling insurance in Sweet Auburn during segregation era. MLK showed you’ll the power of collective economics when they boycotted the buses. It hurt me years ago when I saw Mexicans with their own bus systems to compete here with the marta system. I said with all these prominent black people here in Atlanta, you’ll niggas couldn’t figure that one out? MARTA was losing money to them which is why they have been going up on their fares. I was proud of them for showing enough organization to accomplish this. But “we” sit back and complain about people cming into our neighborhoods and taking over. Well negro you won’t do it. There’s an economic void in your community to fill but you won’t fill it. I live my life as if slavery never happened. To me it was a blip on the cultural radar to me. It does not define my existence on this planet and i don’t want that to seep into my spirit and affect the positive things I want to do. In my college, i saw a lot of black people on that back-to-Africa bullshit and was on that fight the power shit. I have searched social media for some of these people and you know what I found out: that majoriy of them are working dead beat jobs for whitey!!!! How ironic. You mean to tell me, with all that rhetoric, you niggers couldn’t come up with any means to create an environment economically, where you could employ your people? So many people end up leaving that shit in the past because it’s tired and immature to be honest. I had an African-american studies professor tell me privately that she was beginning to believe that discipline was becoming obsolete. This woman had her Ph.D. in it and saw how what she was teaching was making no impact on black people whatsoever. Those students were still being niggers at the end of the day. I was one of the only students who would come and talk to her on a frequent basis trying to figure out why black people couldn’t get it together. She said that “when you talk about black people, you have to understand you’re dealing with a sick group of people.” She was right. However, the sickness is not that you went through slavery. The sickness comes in when you won’t organize with one another to make sure history doesn’t repeat itself and you find yourself enslaved again. Now that’s sick. I want to know why lost empires. This is more important to me than talking about the traumatic shit in slavery. That’s why you’ll are so angry because you keep going to something that makes you feel angry. See here’s the biggest secret: when you spend more time focused on economic matters, you don’t have the time to focus on the past. How many people lose out on good potential mates because they can’t let the past go? Thousands. It’s happening with black people. Black people miss out on some valuable contacts (whites included) because they look at them and see a slavemaster. When I look at some whites, I see a potential resource and therein lies your problem. You’ll need to do what white folks do. White folks have homeowner associations that will have in their manual to not allow any homeowners to rent their homes out to section-8 people. Why? Because usually these people are so low-class they will bring down the property value in your neighborhood. Before you know it, you will negroes walking around with their underwear showing in front of your children which to me should have their asses locked up on chuld endangerment charges for real or something. Homeowners associations protect true homeowners truly protect homeowners. If you’re a middle class black and you live in a neighborhood, and you don’t have a homeowners association, you better do something real fast because what the housing department did not tell you’ll was that those sorry niggas who lived in all those projects they tore down in the past 15 years, they quietly moved those degenerates into middle class neigborhoods where they have been terrorizing black people. You’ll worried about hwitey but really need to worry about Ray Ray. A firend of mine used to deal with this chick who called herself a 5 percenter. The chick used to talk that hate white man shit all the time. Mind you, she was on section-8, foodstamps. When my friend asked her if he could help her clean up her credit, and help her get into her own home without section-8, would she let him, you know what the chick’s response was? Nope. And to top it all of, when things went sour, the chick, knowing that my firend had cleaned up his credit and was in the hihg 700 hundred range, you know what she did you’ll? The bitch used his social to apply for some credit to get some pots and pans and other shit! How about that. All that pro-black shit she talked and at the end of the day, she was nothing but a nigger and this dude never did her wrong. He never took anything from her and was trying to help her. The only culture black people need is a strong family where the black man has the complete authority to put boots in mofos asses!!!! How does your religion matter when Man is disrespected? Man is the guiding force for family and woman. How the hell you gonnab build something with a woman who rejects guidance? For too many black women, government is their daddy and their husband. That’s the problem. If you all notice, majorit of the wealthy people you see out here are married. That’s not a coincidence. Baby mamas don’t live in affluent areas of the country or world. Married women do and they are the only type of women that should if their priority is a family. What makes a woman believe she deserves access to wealth when she rejects the very tool that can help her reach welath (Man)? That’s asinine. Black men need to stop being weak for vagina and start showing that same desire towards making money. If you can go to the club every weekend and drop dollars on hoes, then that means you have money to invest. When you negroes get your refund checks in college, how many of you open up a CD with it? Most of you’ll go buy clothes with it because you want to look like you have money, but be really broke. Niggas love to dress the part but don’t be the part. Rich whites a lot of times dress down because they don’t want you to know they are rich. That seems humble to me. But all that slavery talk is nauseating. It hasn’t gotten anybody anywhere. Malcolm X would have been better off going to law school than fooling with those niggas in the Nation. At least he would have been able to afford his own house. They were trying to throw him out the house the nation had let him live in. See how not taking care of your economics wroks against you. Even when this dude was putting his life on the line for blacks, these niggas were trying to put him on the street with Betty and his children. Can you imaging Malcolm being homeless? Just the thought of that shit makes we wanna go to war with those scoundrels for real. You’ll negroes can’t show me one millionaire in the nation outside of Farrakhan. Not one. But i see these old brothers, who still out there selling fruit. You mean to tell me niggas can’t come together and get a storefront in 2013? The way this commercial real estate game is lookig, you better believe I will be have one of those nice offices where me and my team will be doing business in a supreme fashion. I will not be pushing some cart selling fruit out that bitch. I’ll sell drugs before I do that. This shit is about being on some Don shit for real. The world will not allow us to make excuses anymore with a Black president sitting in the white house. Those days are over black people and the sooner you’ll figure that out the better off you will be. This “the meek shall humble the earth” nonsense is dehumanizing for real because in nature, when you’re meek, you die. Hell a bird will peck your ass if you threaten its survival. Instead of going out to expensive restaurants all the time at work on you lunchbreak, pack your lunch. You’d be surprised how much money you can save. Then invest that money. Do what you gotta do to get out of poverty for real. Discipline yourself. You don’t gain currency by bashing whitey. A black chick told me a long time ago that with all that hate whitey rhetoric i was on”was that stopping white folks from living their lives? Was it stopping them from taking their families on vacations to foreign lands or putting their children in private schools?” It shut me the fuck up because, although she wasn’t as knowledgeable as I was on certain things, this actually gave her an advantage on certain things because she would look at things simplistically sometimes, which was better than the deep shit I tried to take things to all the time. Real women respect you when you have a plan to get out of a mess. I admit as a collective, black people are in a mess. However, as an individual, I’m in a great position because I am learning the game that matters: economy. And while negroes are arguing about the white man here, I’m looking at houses in Belize by the ocean that cost 23,000 which I will be purchasing this year. I will not waste my life trying to save people who have no desire in saving themselves. If loving black people means being poor with them, then i don’t love them at all cause that shit is not happening. i can promise you that. Who wants to be down in the struggle all the time. Who wants to talk struggle all the time? I’d rather discuss how to do leveraged buyouts like Reginald Lewis did which made him a billionaire in a short period of time.
@hoodgirl…I am not qualified to speak for Terrence Amen, however, I believe you both are seeing two side of the same coin. And I think he overstands your side more than you think or you do his. Our ancestors in Ghana have a world view that instructs us to practice Sankofa. Sankofa instructs us that it is not taboo to look back and learn from the past. The key word is LEARN. You are right in saying that we get stuck in the past, because as some one well immersed in the Africentric movement, I have seen a lot of stuck people that would dismiss Ramses’s and Terrence Amen’s idea of economics as capitalist. These people don’t have a pot to piss in, but they are well versed in ourstory, are broke, or will do anything nefarious to maintain what little status they may have in the community.
It is intelligence to look back and recognize how we got to where we are in order to continue, improve on, discard or make adjustments to. Even you yourself must know what you DON’T want to do, but that comes with knowing what did not work before. One of the problem is most of us never had the in depth and intrinsic training that you had, nor the environment that Mack or Ramses had to foster a certain mindset that encourages positive growth. I count myself in the latter group. I can never say I wouldn’t have the patience of brother Amen, for I was one of those dudes coming up that would quickly give you the gas face, cussing you out rejecting you, if you can’t keep up African consciously.
But as Ramses rightfully says, we have to get beyond the pettiness of being stuck on “black” because how you think is how you be. I work with the homeless, drug abusers, criminals, mental health patients and a host of other difficult individuals, both adults and youth and I have seen professionals show immense patience with hard to reach people to great success and it starts with first identifying what their problems are, due to the symptoms shown and then create an effective solution. The people who will come to you, Ramses and Terrence Amen already have a certain mind set of potentiality, but what of those who would need a little nudge? Maybe that is not your job, because as we talk about getting on the same page, one aspect of getting on the same page is recognizing that each of us has something to contribute that can work in symbiosis with the other.
On my phone right know is the complete works of the Riches man in Babylon among other audio books. I am trying to create that atmosphere where my mindset is changed and I develop an emotional context for success. I already have an intellectual overstanding, but the emotional context is the engine that drives success, it is the difference between true success and failure. Which is why Terrence Amen states that we must first overstand that why we do what we do, is a by product of or internment on Southern plantations. African people are the largest group of trauma victims collectively in the world and we never had therapy to heal ourselves. We never had a cultural spiritual or linguistic safety net to fall back on, so we muddle through the world trying to figure shit out. As any psychologists or psychiatrists about abused victims or trauma victims that don’t get therapy. Ask them what happens to their minds and thought process. I personally would love to pick your’s and Ramses mind (I am already looking into trusts brother) and I have ordered Terrence Amen’s book. I am putting together workshops and events for the whole year in my city for men right now, but later together with women, in order that we can work on our latent or misused potential out there and try to heal our selves internally before we can proceed to even think about creating a unity block.
At the end of the day it’s about the cultural, social and economical health of us and our children, whether biological or not. So from my view, hoodgirl, you position is correct, but so is Terrence Amen. No one says that there is a your truth or a his truth…just truth. I have picked up a lot of points from different people here…even those who shouldn’t be here but are trying to start shit(by not engaging them…Lol!) so let’s agree to disagree on minor points that need not obscure the big picture.
Peace and blessings
@Ramses, the Total Money Makeover is a great read for simple wealth building steps. I had a Jewish client that amassed millions because of his penurious lifestyle. I would advise him on financial matters and when he became incapacitated he sent for me to assist with his estate planning because he wanted to make his sister POA as well as the sole beneficiary of his estate.
When I tell you that she was spending her brother’s money like running water before he passed is no exaggeration. She even took alot of his investments out of U.S. Treasuries and placed them in high risk stocks just before the market took a nose dive. By the time I heard from her again she had a couple million left and was sounding so pathetic. My client had a great spirit about him and never complained just kept a smile on his face.
Most of my millionaire clients reached this status by earning an average wage and living the principles outlined in the The Total Money Makeover. I have clients from all ethnic backgrounds so I realize that a third of people usually fall into each of the following three categories:
1. Positive 2. Indifferent or 3. Negative
Best wishes with ALL your endeavors!
@Hoodgirl…they are so blocked by hate and revenge that m ost black people will not listen to you when you are sensible…..even Malcolm referred to those so-caled “brothers” in the Nation of Isalm as “niggers” in his autobiography….black people give white people too much power over them by always blaming them for their economic woes but is they don’t figure out things quick, they won’t be able to compete against Asians or Hispanics. Blacks view themselves through the eyes of white people way too much. I’ve seen you give great info and insight yet everytime you turn around your people want to talk about slavery. What does slavery have to do with negroes who are so inept economically, they are about to lose a mall in Lithonia called Stonecrest Mall due to a mortgage default after only being in operation since 2001. Here’s article detailing it http://www.ajc.com/news/business/mall-at-stonecrest-facing-debt-woes/nTm6y/
As long as you deal with a people who pass their incompetence onto other people then they will stay stuck in the position they are in. If you hate white folks so much, why did you integrate with them? Lol….You have done concrete things which proves that all that looking in the past stuff is for nought. You learn from your hsitory and move on and put yourself in a position to never have to live through that again. This is why you work with one another economically. However, through Integration, black people showed they didn’t want to work together and are paying the price for that collective decision and will continue to suffer the wrath of such a stupid decision. It is my opinion that this policy efeectively destroyed what we came to view as “Black people.” Our notion of working together was effectively destroyed with this decision. The collectivity we showed in the Garvey era will not be seen for a long time, if ever. Black people hate themselves too much to make money together. Look at all the musicians who formed teams and made money together but are not even talking to each other anymore. There is a gene in our people that disallows them to truly come together. From the Supremes to Rocafella records, “we” can’t succeed even when “we” are successful. Black people don’t even show the capability as a collective to even form families, let alone successful businesses. I hear a lot of bloviating on here about tired paradigmatic thought. Our problems began way before the transatlantic slave trade. Even in the movie Django, we saw that Django’s real enemy was not Dicaprio’s character “Candie”, but was the slave “Stephen.” Stephen went out of his way to keep Django and his wife enslaved. Things have not changed from those times. The only difference now is that negroes are free to make a fool of themselves on tv. My life has become a whole lot more positive identifying with civilized ways of thinking before identifying with race first. Go to California talking that black shit if you want to wearing red or blue in the wrong hoods. You will find yourself with bullets of hate faster than you can blink. The best thing that every individual can do on here is to surround themselves with those who are serious about making economic strides in terms of business creation and investments. Trying to save black people, if that’s your goal, will prove to be one of the most disastrous choices you will ever make in your life. It has proven to not work. Form you some private enterprises that will allow you to make moves faster because of less people you have to please. Big groups mean you have a more chance for bickering. When you have shareholders, you only have to please those people and this is where civilized people sit down and discuss the moves they want to make business wise and only people who want and embrace responsibility will ultimately shine through. A lot of people don’t embrace responsibility, they are just forced to deal with it. I embrace manhood and responsibility which is why I have no doubt success is in my forseeable future. I truly know (not just believe) that I will be a millionaire in the next few years. It’s not a wish. Like Herm Edwards said on ESPN “a plan without a goal is a wish.” One of the best statements I’ve ver heard a black man say. If you are poor, you are gonna have to effectiviely plan and strategize how to get out of poverty and it will not come from a government program. Black people are dependent of government as if government is their father. So for all this talk about hating whitey, I’ve seen people in groups like nation of Islam preaching hate whitey doctrine, yet on food stamps and section-8. I love women like hoodgirl but the problem is that there are not a lot of sisters out here who think with her mentality. She cuts through the BS and sees the issues for what it is. I have more respect for hoodgirl than most black men I’ve seen on here because she is about the botton line: economic success!!!! Business is the science of life because every creature on the planet takes from the environment what it needs to survive and thrive. You mean to tell me black people that a squirrel is more business-minded than you are? Squirrel knows nature and knows when it’s hot, it needs to gather as many acorns it cna get becuse when it gets cold, it seeks shelter to protect itself. How hard is this? Even the squirrel love itself more than black people. It loves itself enough to defend its existence. Black people don’t practice this (business) at all as a collective and really in individual families as well for the most part. Then you got these people who want to fault Barack for their economic incompetence. Really?!?! How dare you hold Barack accountable yet you got your whore females in your family you won’t hold accountable who run to the government every time she has an out-of-wedlock child? There are programs for the poor. You know what they are: pell grants for college and technical schools and loans for all types of college programs. It’s not the governments fault that blacks, even within their own family units, don’t practice collective economics. Asians do it. Koreand do it. Hispanics do it. What’s negroes excuse? You’ll are so preoccupied with what white folks do, you’re not doing anything yourself. At the end of the day, human nature wants to win. Black people go against human nature way too much, thus they aren’t winning. People who are comfortable being dependent on other peo[le clearly do not want to win. And until that changes, black people’s collective economic plight will not change. I don’t see it changing personally. I don’t have faith black people will get it together. Black people don’t love one another. They just defend each other by default because they don’t seen any other options out here so they just do it by default. How can you defend or explain away incompetence. When you are you just are. Even if you could blame slavery for the stuff that black people deal with so what. Either you’re gonna get past it, or you’re gonna perish genetically because you can’t compete. Some people come from bloodlines who genetically are inferior, whether we want to accept it or not. I’m willing to work with any group of people who i see who have the bility to help me get to where I need to go. But blacks…..nah for the most part. Remember, a lot of the snitches we have ever had have been blacks. Don’t forget that. If you had banks, you could do what those big banks were doing with Libor on a private level. Even the US govt needs a good credit rating. How you’re gonna move forward and you have people who see credit as free money to go buy clothes and shoes? I suggest black people STFU and go read some books that deal with basic economics and different business entitites (LLC, C-Corps, S-Corps, Trusts, etc) and come up with some ways to make businesses. I saw a white woman on CNBC yesterday, who makes the same jewelry I see made by these so-called conscious, neo-soul, floetry black chicks with locks make and she became a millionaire. She said that in 5 years, she expects to be a billionaire in 3-5 years. Not selling diamonds, rubies, or gold or platinum. The stuff looks cheap to me but she has a business model that is working. Why can’t black women do the same? Hoodgirl has the sense to do things of this nature. But hoodgirl is a married woman as well and that’s a good start. The author of “Popes and Bankers” said “marriage is the economic foundation of wealth creation in the West.” Niggas spend all their time (money as well) in clubs and strip clubs, or toys (expensive cars) instead of investing in businesses, stocks and bonds, etc. That is laziness. And be mad why your little sociology degree is getting you know where. A degree that only focuses on problems in society (which are due to people straying away from basic values). A lot of black people’s problems could actually be solved by black women closing their legs and disrespectful mouths, and marriage. Too many owmen think marriage is only for thme meeting a man taking his hard earn money and buying them the most expensive material objects on earth. A woman is supposed to be a man’s compliment. She is supposed to assist him in his endeavors. When a woman thinks “me” first, she has missed the point of marriage because, by definition, when a woman marries a man, she is submitting to his will. Her wants, becomes second to his needs. His needs should be centered around wealth formation so that his house (family name) will be associated with success. When a woman has a man centered and well grounded, he can focus on important matters (instead of a population filled with over-sexed females who seek only to cause chaos throughout society). If more women on here thought like hoodgirl, then black women and black people would be in a better position in general. Black people think economics mean government help. There are so many things going on in a private capactiy where goverment have no say so in the matter. I myself was very ignorant on matters concerning wealth creation a few years back and I fault myself and my family for not teaching me, not the government. However, I took it upon myself to learn this game and to never allow myself to leave this earth poor nor any of those I care about. In a short time, my conversation went from talking about slavery to talking about trusts. I refuse to engage in blame whitey games when at the end of the day, you can’t blame a bully (I don’t look at white people as such) for whipping your ass. You better figure out a way to defeat the bully or he will continue to torment you. The bully on the block is economy, not white people, becaue last time I checked, there are a lot of white people who have lost and are losing their homes and jobs as well in this economy. The difference is, is that some of these white people had savings and investments to live off of to soften the blow, whereas when black people made money when the economy was doing well, they were spending money like their was no tomorrow. Was this white folks fault too? Lol. Keep giving white people control over your lives. Everytime you blame white folks for your failures, you are really giving them power over your life through your own words. And if you are willing to give them power over your lives, then why shouldn’t they take it?
http://www.btwsociety.org/library/misc/quotes.php
Associate yourself with people of good quality, for it is better to be alone than in bad company. No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that because he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in his life regardless of his own merits or efforts. Character, not circumstances, makes the man. No man who continues to add something to the material, intellectual and moral well-being of the place in which he lives, is left long without prosper reward.
The group is as much important than individuals. Malcolm X was killed because he wanted to go to the UN and ask for a moratory on in international level about the Black cause.
@Terrance, I am speaking to you personally.
The negative parts of our history is ubiquitous and it is in our best interests that we stop giving credence to this as well as obsessing over our white counterparts. You sound like Malcom X before he realized that he was being manipulated which ultimately costed him his life in the name of Black Unity. This is so ironic because I love his quote “a man who stands for nothing will fall for anything”!
The power is in each of us to positively change our life if that is what we choose to do or we can continue to see ourselves as victims which contributes nothing to the growth of our children. Economic empowerment will not come from us changing the ethnicity of our debtors just as it hasn’t come from us putting a black family in the White House who as James Brown put it “sold us out for chicken change”!
Now, I am reading the autobiography of Booker T. Washington. I laughed so much when I learned that many Blacks (who still could not read even around the 1880s) voted the opposite party of Southern Whites who were for the Democrats at the time. It is a very important book! I realise more and more that even at that time our people managed to acquire expensive things instead of using their money wisely to elevate the community as a whole! We definitely need to change our mindset, in other words our way of thinking!
@ hoodgirl
If you’re already contributing to changing the lives of our people, I’m not talking about you in that sense. I just wanted to point out that hiding the negative parts of our history doesn’t help deal with what’s still going on in our community. I’ll also admit you are ahead of me in having a program out. My goal is to take the best of what’s already out there, in the different areas and take them nationally. We already know what works; we just have to do things in a more strategic and unified effort. I believe we can do more together than apart.
I never disagreed with you personally, only in general, that we grow up in different environments, and it does affect how we behave. Also I’m not just talking to you when I say click on my name. As you know there’re a lot of people who read these comments, who may not have anything to say, but may want to look into what I’m talking about further. I wish you continued success in helping our people become the best that they can be because this is all I want.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
Terrance,
With all do respect, I’m way passed clicking on a name for solutions, I’m a doer! Through my internship program, I have been able to share my experience with our children and they in turn have been able to positively change their life, family structure and community. I am a capitalist that built several successful businesses based on impact investing which Steve Forbes and the likes view as some sort of new phenomenon.
My husband and I are currently pursuing a Private Investment Fund to continue our mission of impact investing because our children know every aspect of victimization handed to them by adults but little to nothing when it comes to economic empowerment which starts by earning income, controlling income and growing income which won’t happen unless one changes their bad money habits regardless of where the money is spent.
Growing up I collected empty soda bottles throughout the neighborhood, returned them to the store and received a commision. I don’t ever recall not working as a child or adult and was never picky about the work I did nor the money I earned because WORK is the foundation of economic empowerment.
Today I see too many hard working parents ruining their children by not even demanding that they at least work for all the material things that they have. What’s more depressing is that these parents are so quick to give excuses as to why their children are not working from the job does not pay much to they need a car for transportation which is inexcusable and shoud not be blamed on racism or the mental confines of slavery.
@ hoodgirl and Nat
I wasn’t going to respond to your last comments, but I felt it wouldn’t do justice not to. You make it seem like knowing your history, the good, bad, and ugly is a bad thing. The Jews have after school programs to teach their history. They use it to strengthen their community and build on it. They don’t look at themselves as victims, but they know what was done to them and let their children and everyone else know as well.
My point was to let our children and adults know the devastation that slavery caused and is still causing within the Black community. This is probably the reason why we still have problems uniting because we haven’t dealt with the mental effects of slavery. You can know your history and still strive to be the best you can be. But not knowing your history keeps you in the dark when it comes to why we do what we do.
Either we come together as a people and create our own businesses to solve the unemployment and other problems in our community, or we continue to wait and wait for people outside our community to give us jobs and anything else we need. If we do the latter, we won’t be the first to get jobs because we didn’t produce them, we will be the last. In the meantime, our people will suffer because we’d rather spend a trillion dollars in every community but our own. If this isn’t an example of the slave mentality, I don’t know what is. Click on my name for the solution.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
I don’t apply these principles easily on my own life but I believe they are true and I am working on this:
“Happiness is based chiefly on how you think and how you choose to live your life. No one can rise higher than his or her faith”.
I think that Blacks have been negatively brainwashed and we need to learn to have faith on our own abilities to make it while being positive.
I agree with Hoodgirl. My late father was one of the top physicians in North America. Now, I realise more than ever the power of a positive mindset (my cousin in Brazil would never have been able to make it without this and his strong spirituality). When I look at all my family members, my father was the most positive. I never heard him speak about racism, etc. He never complained about anything. I believe that nobody in this world regardless of his race, etc. can make it in this life with a negative mindset. Terrance, believe me I know where you are coming from. It was hard for me to hear my dad say I don’t want you to think of yourself as a victim. Now that he is gone, I realise more than ever how his positive mindset helped him to achieve his goals compared to other people I know inside and outside my family.
Terrance,
My husband and I do not have biological children but have opened our home to many children. The first thing we agreed to was that we would not hand down our preconceived notions to them which was the best decision we made that allowed them to grow unconditionally. Every time they had to do a book report on black history, my husband always assisted them without ever mentioning slavery because quite frankly this is something that our people are constantly reminded of which keeps us in a state of inferiority and emotional distress.
Our children have no concept of the mental confines of slavery only PERSONAL responsibility where each of them knows that they are responsible for their own actions. Both of us emphasized to them that in order to achieve anything in life you have to set goals, write them down, work towards accomplishing them, once attained, repeat the cycle and always be your brother’s keeper.
Could we have been better parents of course we could have been but we showered our children with love, the tools to be self sufficient and never allowed them to deflect from PERSONAL responsibility.
@ Nat and hoodgirl
I’m not disagreeing with you, but were the Asians, Jews, and any other group that comes to this country stripped of their identity? Slavery here in America was like no other. Our people were stripped of their language, culture and history, which are the foundations of any community. Where else in the history of mankind did this happen? You have China town, Japan town, Little Italy, etc.
Where is Africa town? This even sounds odd. We just started calling ourselves African in the past 30-40 years. The only time we had a community was when we were segregated, but to show the mental effects of slavery, when we finally got the chance for more opportunities to build on what we had, we couldn’t wait to move away and live by the same people who enslaved us. How sick is that? Yes we did have successes, but there are always exceptions to the rule. As individuals, we’re doing great, but how are we doing as a community?
My point is we can’t keep talking about the effects, without talking about the cause or origin of the problems in our community. Until we deal with the mental effects of slavery, we will never reach our full potential, as a people. But don’t take my word for it. You all like to read, so read books by Dr. Francis Cress Welsing, Dr. Amos Wilson, Dr. Na’im Akbar and others who talk about the source of the problems in our community. They also have videos on line. I’m not making excuses for the problems in our community, but they’re deeper than what we see on the surface.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
Nat,
Knowledge is FREE and more accessible now than in the history of mankind. You said it yourself we’re not giving our 150 percent. People are more influenced by people who are paid to exploit them or people who talk a good game with zero results. The way I see it, Character is innate and is the most viable trait which cannot be taught but enhanced through self development which many would rather complain about things they cannot control or blame others for their predicament than to expend time on things they can control for the betterment of self and ultimately community.
Hoodgirl,
Hats off to your cousin! I hope that he is sharing his knowledge with the Black community. This is another ill I observed. We refuse to share information which is another form of poverty. Jews and Asians all the time share within their community their knowledge and this why they are stronger. We should stop to see ourselves as a minority. This is another excuse for not doing anything. The Jews are circa 3% in the U.S. and 13 million in the world. Their strength is their solidarity and looking for one another. Same thing with Asians. I don’t see in North America homeless Asians and Jews. This speaks volume of how they truly take care for their community.
Well said Nat! My great Aunt’s first cousin is Charley Pride. Charley dropped out of school at age 15 which didn’t stop him from doing phenomenal things to include setting all kinds of records in Country Music as well as owning a National Bank, not bad for a boy raised in the Mississippi Delta during Jim Crow laws.
Excuses are so PASSE….you either Sink or Swim!
For people who want to understand more the origins of our ills, read this:
http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/01/10_things_django_wont_tell_you_about_slavery.html
Terrance,
You wrote very interesting points. However, I believe that the situation is very complex. I am discouraged to observe that many people in our community whatever their level do not want to make their 150%. For instance, a brother that I know is doing his PhD. I offered to support him by reading his thesis. I am talking about a man who is 46 and I am almost ten years younger than him. My jaw dropped when I realised that even someone at his level is behaving like an amateur and not a professional. He sent me his thesis without reading it and without using the grammar and spelling of Word. When I told him that, he gave all kind of so-called reasons for not doing it. I really don’t get that!!! I believe that Blacks could do much more to improve our situation but we don’t. I have French West Indian origins. I spoke on New Year’s day to a cousin of mine that I never met who lives in Brazil. He told me in details how it was for him when he arrived there. He did not know a word of Portuguese when he arrived there. He was practically homeless, no support, no diaspora, no family. He managed to learn Portuguese and English (that he learned in books) because he was disciplined and determined, qualities that I don’t see often among us in North America. He reminded me that he never went to the U.S and he managed to understand the Anglo-Saxon tongue!!! This brother is an example for all of us and we have no excuse to not make it in North America. We have collective and personal responsibilities!!!
Dcarter910,
I really like your comment. There is a brother since last year who is trying to have my number. He is not working and he is probably on welfare. I would not be surprised that at some point in his life, he was practically homeless. He always sees me at the library. Many security guards there are Black. For him, this kind of job is beneath him. When he asked for my number, I told him that I won’t give it to him because he has 0 ambition and I have more respect for our brothers who are working as security guards than him. Since then, he sits near me when I am at the library hoping that I will notice him but I totally ignore him. He never reads when he is there. His only interest is to look at women such as me I guess. The first five minutes I spoke to him, I saw right away that he was not well-read and he’s not doing anything to improve his situation. I can’t respect that!!!
Black male, 38 years old, started with nothing, obtained, AA Human Resources, BS Finance, MBA emphasis in Finance/Accounting. Working towards multiple lines of income and creating a financial portfolio. Lived in the projects part of my youth and mother was on welfare the majority of my life. Read the Jewish Phenomenon, order off of Amazon. It highlights self sufficiency and we all know the Jews bank. The book in so many words not only speaks to the Jews but also to the African American plight and how we can overcome. They helped to finance the Civil Rights movement and start the NAACP. We have to reconcile our differences and we can take their model of loan financing and community relations and apply to our own. Terence Amen is correct, we have everything we need. We have to get rid of the mentality of everyone wanting to become rappers or models and we have to understand that we are empowered to change our destiny and all generations that come after us. Voted again for Obama but he cannot influence American Culture to accept us. Remember Rosewood, Black Wall Street, the Nubians of Egypt, the MOVE organization (Philadelphia). We can reference the Civil Rights Movement and draw our inspiration to again take charge of our destiny.
@ JR
For solutions to these and the other problems in the Black community, click on my name.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
From Mack: “We all know there’s nothing prestigious about running a hot wing spot. Except for the fact this guy and his family has accumulated enough cash to open two more stores across town; each one bringing in about a million dollars a year. ‘Cuz we all know black folks love them chicken wings! The same goes for the local cleaners, nail shop and laundromat. Those are million dollar a year businesses each. And the person running them is usually a possessor of a college degree.”
Hey, you have named 4 of 5 businesses that should make a consistent profit in the community (hair salon/products). If we invested our money or spent it on African-American businesses in those genres, we’d make some serious progress
@ Terrance: exactly!
Dcarter910 brings up an excellent point. We have way too many lazy, ambition-lacking mama boys sitting around waiting for someone else to make it happen for them. Many see you heading off to a good job and want you to give them a hook up; which wouldn’t be bad if you at least saw them trying to get their hustle on.
Most of your local neighborhood dope boys are making the equivilent of a low wage job anyway. Might as well save yourself the trouble and just work one! And though jobs are in short supply, you have a much better chance of getting one if you’re articulate enough to make sense during an interview, and literate enough to fill out the application properly online. And it certainly helps not to have a bunch of ink all over your skin, making you look like a Hell’s Angel prison escapee. These things have consequences. But the youth aren’t being properly informed by those they look up to.
Btw: if ONE more dude walks up to me trying to sell me his home-made rap CD, I might pull out the tool on him! I’m sick of that ‘smash and grab/ let me be a rapper’ mentality. Like that’s the ONLY option available. A lot of these young’ns got the game of life all twisted up. But its not solely their fault.
I had a hardworking entrepeneurial father in my life; many of them don’t. Even the mothers some of these young cats have are not fit to wear the title. I grew up with a mom who worked two jobs while she put hereself through night school; and even though he didn’t live in the home with us, I still had my pop’s example because him and my mother made sure he stayed relevant in our lives. He taught me the electrical trade, and passed down the concept of working for one’s self. And I ran with it.
I work temporarily now at a regular 9-5, and though I love the stability of the income and the benefits, I hate what I’m giving up in exchange for it. Which is my time and freedom to work on my business. But its temporary because I’m using the job for seed/investment money. Plus its motivation to hustle extra hard to get back out on my own again.
I’ll leave you with this: I was talking to an Asian homie one day, who works in his family’s wing spot. As we talked, I was amazed to discover he not only held a bachelor’s degree, but he never got it with the intentions on working for somebody else. It was ingrained into his psyche from his youth to go to school, make excellent grades and get a scholarship to go to college…TO COME BACK AND HELP RUN THE FAMILY BUSINESS.
We all know there’s nothing prestigious about running a hot wing spot. Except for the fact this guy and his family has accumulated enough cash to open two more stores across town; each one bringing in about a million dollars a year. ‘Cuz we all know black folks love them chicken wings! The same goes for the local cleaners, nail shop and laundromat. Those are million dollar a year businesses each. And the person running them is usually a possessor of a college degree.
That’s how you make the system work for you; not sitting around waiting for jobs to be created or for some new legislation to be passed. Nows the time for conscious rugged individualism, with an eye towards helping the collective.
@ Dcarter910on
You speak the truth young Brother, but you must remember, we are in a psychological war and as a people we are losing. There is a reason why some of our people would rather live off welfare then work, there is also a reason why some of the youth would rather sell drugs and hang out on the streets then work. You said it yourself, it starts with parenting. But where did that mindset come from? A lot of us have been programmed to be dependent thinkers, rather then independent thinkers. But this is not new. It has been happening since the 70’s. So what is different before the 70’s to now? We used to help and guide those who needed it. Those who didn’t have a father, a male family member or a neighbor stepped up to help.
We used to watch over our children to make sure they were doing the right thing. We rarely do this anymore. Now we look the other way, move away. We don’t care about each other like we used to. We have become a community of individuals, rather then a real community. On a bigger picture, those who do work are still dependent on people outside our community for our livelihood. This is also why we have a high rate of unemployment. Anytime you have to depend on someone outside your community for work, you will always be the last picked because they are going to pick someone from their community before they pick you.
So that leaves jobs that pay you a lot less then you could be making. The bottom line is if we took just 20% of those trillion dollars we spend every year in every community but our own, which is why I will say we have a mental problem that leads back to slavery, until someone proves me wrong, we could create our own jobs and deal with the other problems in our community. I sound like a broken record, but it’s still true today as it was true when our real leaders said it decades ago.
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
@DCarter910, that’s great what you were able to do from high school up until now, but I disagree with you from one aspect…There are people out there that are actively looking for jobs and they are not being acquired no matter the skill level. While you may have been able to get a job as a high school kid in Florida, I know many that didn’t…and we’re in the same age group. Fast forward to now and you still have many people Florida from 18 to 35 looking for jobs. There are some that have been working for years and then get let go, then can’t get hired for almost two years. Sounds crazy, but it is true.
I’m not even going into that so-called flashy life that many young people fall into, I’m talking about real life…it doesn’t matter if someone is a high school drop-out or has a MS degree in Biology, they’re not getting hired.
@Charmony, that is a scary situation if what you said in the last paragraph is true. To be “placed” in a position where you would be underpaid is not fair when you know that you are qualified for something better. What if you took that job that wasn’t paying well? What are you going to do, make cutbacks or worse yet, get a part-time job? Many of us have to run into that scenario, and that can’t be good in the long run.
As far as what to do, it has been mentioned here by Mack and Terrence. Build businesses that cater to our market, whether from near or far…be encouraged to hire/help young males in the business, even if you may be the only person working there. Make a list or find one of black businesses in the area, and visit one or two bi-weekly (it’ll increase as time progresses). And if you got the money and resources, go to Africa and help build/defend the land there. But don’t have a bunch of people go at once…. 😉
Dcarter910
Well said young man. What do you expect when entitlements are at an all time high and thanks to Obamacare these idle young men can remain on their parent’s insurance till 26.
I will probably be disliked for this but straight forward, many young black men do not want to work (period). I am from Florida, worked since I was 16 to include playing high school varsity football and then going home to do homework late into the night. I was the only young black man who had a job. It was bagging groceries at a local grocery store but it allowed me to save up for my first car and go to the movies every once in a while. That type of work was beneath the other brothers who would either sell drugs or somehow their parents that didnt work could afford to buy them Jordans.
Fast forward, I am 28 years old, bought my first house and moved my family up from Florida to here in maryland-dc area. My younger brother who also worked since he was 16 when he got up here now at 19 he was able to find a job in less than a month working at SAMS. Doesnt pay that much but its full time and he is saving for a newer car. Point being I see so many young black men around here who refuse to work and claim they cant find a job. The Maryland-dc area has the lowest unemployment rate and when I go to a grocery store or any shopping stores I see young black women working while young black men are walking around pants sagging, dread head, smoking and bumming money for bus rides.
Of course I am not talking about all young black men in this area but I am talking about the majority while I feel like this article is referring to the exception. To most young black men the jobs that are available dont pay a lot and you cant buy Jordans and live the “flashy” life but you can save, go to a trade school/community college and work your way up like I did. This article bemoans the high black unemployment rate but honestly i think the article and many here are over looking the fact that the “flashy life” and feeling of entitlement are drawing young black men away from jobs or even a willingness to work. How many of you are walking past young black men who could be working but they are just wandering the streets? How many of you can attest to the fact that you see young black women working everywhere (fast food/ grocery stores) while there is no young black men to be seen.
Once again another article asking the “White House” to save the poor ignorant field negros when from my perspective bad parenting and a false sense of entitlement to the “flashy life” is what is really preventing young black men from accepting a job, and working their way up to success.
Mack, Terrance Amen, and Rusty are on target with their comments…however, I’m stuck on one thing:
“Instead of signing petitions aimed at Oxygen, how about amassing a list of every commercial that runs on that network and signing a petition to boycott every single one of their products?”
How can I do that when I basically boycott the network? 😀
The Asians are a great example! They are very educated and have less unemployment. My jaw dropped when I learned recently that Black America has a academic drop-out rate of 60%. This is unacceptable! About having more choices, Black America should consider to go to McGill University which gives an excellent education with a much lower cost!
Civil Rights are a thing of the past for African Americans at most companies, and in order to restore them we have to come together and start lookin at the mechanics of the scenario. There are several players in the game, and third party recruiting agencies are part of the game too. In my experience, employment agencies intercept black applicants for professional full time positions. I’d imagine that there are some cases where employers don’t realize that they don’t see black applicants; but effectively, how can an employers be held accountable for discriminating against a group of people that do not apply for jobs at their company? Then there are companies who see this feature of third party recruiters as a perk.
It’s sad, because I don’t see anyone on the black side taking a stand, and too many blacks are happy to be in a position where they can look down on someone, or go into tirades about how lazy and uneducated people are. That’s not it.
Luckily, I’m in a satisfying position, but I’ve been out there, I’m convinced, to witness what’s happening. One recruiter would dumb down my résumé and submit me for lower caliber positions temp work. These recruiters are manipulating the job market in a way that is leaving black folks out.
If you’re going to discuss black unemployment, you have to include a discussion about illegal immigration. In 2008 the US Commission on Civil Rights did a report on this very subject, but nobody is allowed to ask what the effect of giving a green card (but not citizenship) to millions of low skilled workers currently “in the shadows” will be on the working poor in general and working class blacks in particular. Carol Swain has written about how illegal immigration empowers racism – if it’s true that all things being equal a white employer will hire anyone other than a black worker if they have the choice, illegal immigration often provides that choice.
Here we go again. When are we going to realize, the government is not the answer to unemployment, or anything else we need in our community. We are the answer and always were. I don’t think the government did anything good for us after freeing our ancestors. Please don’t say civil rights. Before civil rights, we had communities, we owned more land then we have today, with farms that could feed our people, we had businesses of every kind that could employ us, we were self sufficient, we were independent, and all this without having the right to vote. Now that we can vote, we only get leftover scraps. Now we are dependent on the same people who enslaved our ancestors to give us jobs, mis-educate us, poison us.
I guess we thought they changed, but they haven’t, we have. Someone once said, a sign of insanity is doing the same thing, but expecting a different result. Brothers and Sisters, relying on people outside our community to give us what we need is not working, never did. It’s past time for an old strategy that worked, and that is to start doing for ourselves again, before it’s too late. For all the sacrifices our real leaders went through to show us the way, an unemployment rate that compares to the great depression is all we have to show for their sacrifices. How backwards is this?
Black Unity means financial independence and happiness
And one more thing: who says we HAVE to work for anybody else?! What happened to our entrepreneurial spirit?
Just my opinion:
Black folks, we complain too much. Especially when it comes to economics and racism. Its so easy to solve the issue of racism in this country, it ain’t even funny. Simple answer, and I’ll say this nice and slow:
DON’T….SPEND….MONEY….WITH….RACISTS…
See how easy that is? Prime example: the big hooplah over the Shawty Lo show on Oxygen. Instead of signing petitions aimed at Oxygen, how about amassing a list of every commercial that runs on that network and signing a petition to boycott every single one of their products? Much more effective way to get the show cancelled.
And here’s one way to get Washington’s attention: do you realize that if black Americans decided to, we could bankrupt this entire nation overnight? How? Simple: withdrawing our money en masse from this economy. When you represent a trillion dollars of any economy, thats some major bookooh power. Politicians should be kissing our collective behinds; but we don’t require them too. So we get shafted on every hand.
Same thing with the stores in our community. If you don’t like the quality of the Korean run store in your neighborhood, why the hell are you still shopping there?! My personal motto for 2013 is: LET YOUR DOLLAR HOLLER. I’ll drive an hour out of my way to shop where the quality is better, or with my own kind if we don’t have any stores in the area. But I’ll be damned if I’m spending MY money where I’m not appreciated.
One last thing: who says black folks HAVE to stay in America? There are 53 African countries, 13 independent Caribbean island nations, 17 additonal Caribbean nations under the control or influence of European countries, comprising a total of 700 islands just in the Caribbean alone. And then there is Brazil which is actually the largest nation of black folks in the world outside of continental Africa. We act as if we HAVE to stay in this country, which has repeatedly shown it doesn’t give a damn about us.
How many people know that Ghana has issued an open call for African Americans and others throughout the diaspora to come back home? And before you look your noses down on Africa, with the recent discovery of oil throughout the continent, Africa has some of the fastest growing economies in the world right now. Ghana in fact is in the process of building 2 brand new cities from scratch to accomodate its growing population and economy:
http://business.myjoyonline.com/pages/news/201207/89773.php
And blacks moving to South Africa are finding their way as well:
http://bcove.me/k2rxd5mn
All I’m saying is: we do have other options. Maybe its time to start exploring them…
Think it is self-defeating as a community to constantly drill in the minds of it own citizens that some out side force has to power to impede their individual progress or have to create some specific agenda or oherwise opportunity is not likely to present itself. I i am the father 3 ages 34,29 and 23 each have worked continuously from the age of 16; 1 holding a masters, one receiving masters in Feb.2013, who in Nov, 2012 had obtained 3 offers of future employement waiting in the wings as I type; and the last completing under grad. moving on to post grad as well. And yes they Black Americans. I have instilled in them from pre-school on that no one has the ability to stop them from obtaining any goal they set but them self. though I am old enough to have faced and in fact did encounter racist employment issues. I never relayed that them to fuel any potential doubt as cause for failure. That was my job; not Obama, Sharpton, Jealous, or Jessie. You get out of you Children exactly what you expect.John stated that Asians have the lowest unemployment rate; I started my professional career 2 years prior to the birth of my first child, in LA’s Chinatown other than myself everyone else was Asian; there I Quickly learned they accepted no excuse for failure from their children and none have failure. My friend you can see that not rocket science why have batted 1000 with mine. Try to find an Asian Agenda to create some jobs program being shuffled under the whitehouse door…you won’t and; they don’t need it and neither do I nor my children.
All I’ll say to this article is this:
Dr. Boyce Watkins, you have been and continue to be one of only a few voices of sanity in the Black community. I applaud you for your heartfelt words in each of your articles, but your words are wasted on our confused Black brothers and sisters. If I had one wish, it would be that I’d be able to create a protected Black community that existed outside of the current US government-run territories, so we can once again create our own financial independence. Although it’s just my dream, I’d demand that you, Tavis Smiley, Cornell West, Yvette Carnell, Harry Belafonte & Glen Ford be a part of this new community. I’d have strict rules to keep out many Blacks that have been the very cause of our demise over the years and today; these people are Al Sharpton, Ben Jealous (NAACP) and many of the people who still attack you and other clear-headed people who have spoken out on Obama and his neglect of Black issues.
I wish that there was a way to ban all Obama apologists from your site, because I’m sick of reading their drivel.
I appreciate you and all the love and support that you’ve tried to show to our fellow Black brothers and sisters.
Assuming that racism is the only or even a significant cause of high unemployment is not productive (you offer nothing but your opInion). It may be a piece of the picture but is unlikely to be the most significant when you consider the labor laws on the books. Your evidence is also anecdotal (mentioning people you know provides an extremely small sampling). There is an education gap between the races which probably has more to do with it. Asians have the lowest unemployment rate, not whites. These emotional responses do little to address the actual problem.
Thanks James for your comment! I wrote the same thing in the past on this website and I raised also the question: How come there is no job section on this website (same thing with many other Black websites)? As you can observe, the status quo remains. When people are not providing solutions they are part of the problem!
You know, yelling from the sidelines as we do with our articles is not enough!!! This slow economy is affecting a great many of young as well old brothers and sisters, as many of us are bank rolling some of these households struck by this disaster. Brothers and sisters like you who have the platforms need to start articulating specific and detail plans of recovery for our community and say these plans have been presented to legislators and name names, when the responses are not what you expect them to be. Hey, this probelm ain’t going to fix itself and looks like the Obama Administration is not going to wade into the waters of high black unemployment without a push.