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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471380</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 03:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471181&quot;&gt;Evans Babitt&lt;/a&gt;.

A further elaboration to my response, if you don&#039;t mind:

I am sure you are sincere, but no, patterning your behavior by the New Testament does not save you, nor help save you, nor keep you saved.  Jesus saves you, if you place your faith in Him, personally, relationally.  It is not an impersonal assertion disguised, like saying, &quot;I believe the moon exists.&quot;

If you believe in the Lord, you will have good works.  In fact, the Lord Himself had that in mind even before you came to faith in Him, preparing the way for you to do good works, to pattern your behavior by the New Testament.  But, make no mistake about it, works cannot save you, only the Lord can, by grace through faith in Him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471181">Evans Babitt</a>.</p>
<p>A further elaboration to my response, if you don&#8217;t mind:</p>
<p>I am sure you are sincere, but no, patterning your behavior by the New Testament does not save you, nor help save you, nor keep you saved.  Jesus saves you, if you place your faith in Him, personally, relationally.  It is not an impersonal assertion disguised, like saying, &#8220;I believe the moon exists.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you believe in the Lord, you will have good works.  In fact, the Lord Himself had that in mind even before you came to faith in Him, preparing the way for you to do good works, to pattern your behavior by the New Testament.  But, make no mistake about it, works cannot save you, only the Lord can, by grace through faith in Him.</p>
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		By: Maria Helene Fitzgerald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maria Helene Fitzgerald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2022 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have  always wanted to live in his &#039;Kingdom&quot;,it&#039;s my choice. It determined all my actions and responses to anything, I just didn&#039;t realize it. I am still the same peron just older, and wiser and I am grateful for that, because it makes the last days of my life more tolerable..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have  always wanted to live in his &#8216;Kingdom&#8221;,it&#8217;s my choice. It determined all my actions and responses to anything, I just didn&#8217;t realize it. I am still the same peron just older, and wiser and I am grateful for that, because it makes the last days of my life more tolerable..</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471321</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 03:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471198&quot;&gt;Dallas&lt;/a&gt;.

Nicely put, Dallas.  For the Christian, works come from faith.  The Lord calls us to good works, not to be saved, but because we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-10).  &quot;&#039;I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.&#039;&quot;  It&#039;s the Lord&#039;s grace that saves us, and produces fruit of good works in our lives.  The history of the church throughout the ages is filled with those who have done fleshly, carnal, and/or destructive &quot;good works&quot; for the Lord, such as the Crusades.  The Lord is not the originator of such things.  They come from false teachings and/or from wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing.  So, it is important to understand we need the Lord to not only save us, but to produce good works that are according to His will.  I am sure you know all this, but I wanted to add this to what you said.  In other words, our hope is in Him, in this life and in eternity.  The Lord&#039;s good works will come from saving faith, as grapes from vines.  And that saving faith is personal, relational, and biblical --not the unbiblical faith of those in the nonChristian religions and cults who believe in another Jesus and gospel of works (which is no gospel at all). God bless you, Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471198">Dallas</a>.</p>
<p>Nicely put, Dallas.  For the Christian, works come from faith.  The Lord calls us to good works, not to be saved, but because we are saved by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-10).  &#8220;&#8216;I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.'&#8221;  It&#8217;s the Lord&#8217;s grace that saves us, and produces fruit of good works in our lives.  The history of the church throughout the ages is filled with those who have done fleshly, carnal, and/or destructive &#8220;good works&#8221; for the Lord, such as the Crusades.  The Lord is not the originator of such things.  They come from false teachings and/or from wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing.  So, it is important to understand we need the Lord to not only save us, but to produce good works that are according to His will.  I am sure you know all this, but I wanted to add this to what you said.  In other words, our hope is in Him, in this life and in eternity.  The Lord&#8217;s good works will come from saving faith, as grapes from vines.  And that saving faith is personal, relational, and biblical &#8211;not the unbiblical faith of those in the nonChristian religions and cults who believe in another Jesus and gospel of works (which is no gospel at all). God bless you, Greg</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471320</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 03:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471178&quot;&gt;Larry E Jenkins&lt;/a&gt;.

I always tell people to be careful of anyone bringing &quot;new&quot; revelation into the Christian faith.  Occasionally, one may need to adjust oneself to the culture around him/her, as time changes.  But the Gospel is the same, throughout time, from Acts to the 2nd Coming of Christ.  So I say to you also, be careful... American churches today are politicized, as are every institution in our culture.  I assume you are from America.  And so here is an example of being careful to adjust oneself and not get caught up in the political corrosiveness of said influence.  The US (and Western Civilization) is going through a great rebellion against the Lord, and embracing hedonism.  That&#039;s really too bad.  If there is no repentance, there will be great weeping, and everyone will be affected. Anyway, I agree that believers are called saints, Christians, etc.  And so I do also.  Paul spoke of a struggle within himself regarding sin.  And we do also, from time to time, until we shed our mortal bodies, and are given a glorified body. There is no one perfect, except the Lord, even after being saved by grace through faith.  No Christian is perfect.  Only the Lord is.  Read all of the letters Paul wrote to the churches, to Christians, not to unbelievers.  This applies to us as well.  -Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471178">Larry E Jenkins</a>.</p>
<p>I always tell people to be careful of anyone bringing &#8220;new&#8221; revelation into the Christian faith.  Occasionally, one may need to adjust oneself to the culture around him/her, as time changes.  But the Gospel is the same, throughout time, from Acts to the 2nd Coming of Christ.  So I say to you also, be careful&#8230; American churches today are politicized, as are every institution in our culture.  I assume you are from America.  And so here is an example of being careful to adjust oneself and not get caught up in the political corrosiveness of said influence.  The US (and Western Civilization) is going through a great rebellion against the Lord, and embracing hedonism.  That&#8217;s really too bad.  If there is no repentance, there will be great weeping, and everyone will be affected. Anyway, I agree that believers are called saints, Christians, etc.  And so I do also.  Paul spoke of a struggle within himself regarding sin.  And we do also, from time to time, until we shed our mortal bodies, and are given a glorified body. There is no one perfect, except the Lord, even after being saved by grace through faith.  No Christian is perfect.  Only the Lord is.  Read all of the letters Paul wrote to the churches, to Christians, not to unbelievers.  This applies to us as well.  -Greg</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471319</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2022 02:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471181&quot;&gt;Evans Babitt&lt;/a&gt;.

Evans Babitt, I could respond to various things you said, but instead, suffice it to say, you believe in a &quot;different gospel&quot; which is no gospel at all.  Your gospel is faith plus works:  &quot;What I have come to learn is that believing is not the answer, only doing as Jesus did.&quot;  This is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Also, if something is not given as a parable, then it is not a parable. Thinking it is doesn&#039;t make it so.  You are interpreting some texts by reading into it one&#039;s own ideas (eisegesis), and/or not paying attention to the contexts.  I am sure you are sincere, but no, patterning your behavior by the New Testament does not save you, nor help save you, nor keep you saved.  &quot; For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do&quot; (Eph. 2:8-10).  -Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471181">Evans Babitt</a>.</p>
<p>Evans Babitt, I could respond to various things you said, but instead, suffice it to say, you believe in a &#8220;different gospel&#8221; which is no gospel at all.  Your gospel is faith plus works:  &#8220;What I have come to learn is that believing is not the answer, only doing as Jesus did.&#8221;  This is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  Also, if something is not given as a parable, then it is not a parable. Thinking it is doesn&#8217;t make it so.  You are interpreting some texts by reading into it one&#8217;s own ideas (eisegesis), and/or not paying attention to the contexts.  I am sure you are sincere, but no, patterning your behavior by the New Testament does not save you, nor help save you, nor keep you saved.  &#8221; For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do&#8221; (Eph. 2:8-10).  -Greg</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471302</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 06:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471212&quot;&gt;Paul Roberts&lt;/a&gt;.

Paul Roberts, it is later here, and I must make this short (after 1am).  You seem to not understand the doctrine of the Trinity.  This applies to your question,&quot;Who did God send to Earth? His only begotten son, or Himself?&quot;  There is only one true and living God, creator and sustainer of all things.  And in that one God there are three separate persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Hence The Father sent the Son, in the incarnation, two persons in the one God.  When Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, the New Testament says that the Father raised Jesus up, the Holy Spirit raised Jesus up, and Jesus also said that He will raise Himself up from the grave.  The NT has many such references to support the teaching of the Trinity, of Jesus Christ being God yet also being a separate person from the Father.  Before the incarnation He was known as the &quot;Word&quot; (John 1).  You may not understand this, nor accept it, but this is what the text of the New Testament presents, in context.  Groups or cults like the Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses constantly take Scripture out of context, and anyone can play that game, to try to get the Bible to say whatever they want it to say.  Most errors people make relating to the Bible is pretty simple, they ignore context.  I hope this answers your question.  I have to go, Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471212">Paul Roberts</a>.</p>
<p>Paul Roberts, it is later here, and I must make this short (after 1am).  You seem to not understand the doctrine of the Trinity.  This applies to your question,&#8221;Who did God send to Earth? His only begotten son, or Himself?&#8221;  There is only one true and living God, creator and sustainer of all things.  And in that one God there are three separate persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  Hence The Father sent the Son, in the incarnation, two persons in the one God.  When Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, the New Testament says that the Father raised Jesus up, the Holy Spirit raised Jesus up, and Jesus also said that He will raise Himself up from the grave.  The NT has many such references to support the teaching of the Trinity, of Jesus Christ being God yet also being a separate person from the Father.  Before the incarnation He was known as the &#8220;Word&#8221; (John 1).  You may not understand this, nor accept it, but this is what the text of the New Testament presents, in context.  Groups or cults like the Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses constantly take Scripture out of context, and anyone can play that game, to try to get the Bible to say whatever they want it to say.  Most errors people make relating to the Bible is pretty simple, they ignore context.  I hope this answers your question.  I have to go, Greg</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471301</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471294&quot;&gt;Oscar&lt;/a&gt;.

No.  Salvation is not a revolving door, one minute you&#039;re saved, next, not.  Say, you are upset about something, lose your temper, and in doing so you sin.  Then, according to your viewpoint, you get saved by doing good works, in this case, saying, &quot;I&#039;m sorry.&quot;  That&#039;s not the Gospel.  Furthermore, nowhere in the Bible does the Lord teach one needs to fast and pray whenever one repents.  I don&#039;t know where you are getting that from, Scripture doesn&#039;t teach that.  Obviously, praying and fasting are works that Christians can do.  But repentance takes place within you, and is God&#039;s grace interacting with your will.  Remember to keep Scripture texts in context.  If you do that, you will probably avoid most mistakes people make when reading/quoting the Bible.  I hope my directness is OK with you...I don&#039;t mean to upset you, Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471294">Oscar</a>.</p>
<p>No.  Salvation is not a revolving door, one minute you&#8217;re saved, next, not.  Say, you are upset about something, lose your temper, and in doing so you sin.  Then, according to your viewpoint, you get saved by doing good works, in this case, saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry.&#8221;  That&#8217;s not the Gospel.  Furthermore, nowhere in the Bible does the Lord teach one needs to fast and pray whenever one repents.  I don&#8217;t know where you are getting that from, Scripture doesn&#8217;t teach that.  Obviously, praying and fasting are works that Christians can do.  But repentance takes place within you, and is God&#8217;s grace interacting with your will.  Remember to keep Scripture texts in context.  If you do that, you will probably avoid most mistakes people make when reading/quoting the Bible.  I hope my directness is OK with you&#8230;I don&#8217;t mean to upset you, Greg</p>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471299</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...to say you are &#039;a sinner saved by grace&#039; is very problematic and just plain wrong. Either you are one or the other. If you are saved by grace, you are no longer a sinner. You can no more be both at the same time than you can be a believer and an unbeliever at the same time.&quot;  Gregory J. DuBois, correct, he defined unbelievers as sinners, but he didn&#039;t define what he means by the use of the word, &quot;sinner.&quot;  In other words, it&#039;s not a statement of the meaning of a word itself.  &quot;Sinner,&quot; in the English language:  a person who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.  Christians sometimes sin.  So, it seems to be special pleading to define a common term in a way that seems to only refer to one group (unbelievers), whereas it really describes everyone.  This is what I meant when I said people need to define terms.  And by the way, I don&#039;t think I said that he didn&#039;t, I simply made the statement that definition of terms should be addressed, especially if there seems to be ambiguity in meaning/communication.  The way he used the term didn&#039;t make sense, in that everyone sins.  If one admits this, then why apply it only to unbelievers, if not then one is probably involved in a false teaching that Christians never sin.  Anyway, this is what I was referring to when I said one needs to define terms, whether or not one thinks did that adequately.  It&#039;s sort of like trying to make a point, or win an argument, by definition.  Once you accept said definition, the argument is over.  You must cede to his viewpoint, if you accept the definitional use of the term, sinner.  It would be better to define sinner as what is commonly accepted, then argue from there.  If you don&#039;t, you are assuming in your definition what you actually have to prove...which is circular reasoning.   &quot;The article is more about giving oneself a proper name and then living up to it, rather than resigning oneself to a negative identity that does not encourage growth.&quot;  I think the article is all about that, and if that&#039;s the case, then why not speak more directly to that.  This presents needless confusion for the reader: &quot;If you are a born-again child of God, you are not a sinner. You will...sin.&quot;  Perhaps my point is that it is poorly written.  And, your insight about the purpose or intent is spot on.  Nice, Greg]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;to say you are &#8216;a sinner saved by grace&#8217; is very problematic and just plain wrong. Either you are one or the other. If you are saved by grace, you are no longer a sinner. You can no more be both at the same time than you can be a believer and an unbeliever at the same time.&#8221;  Gregory J. DuBois, correct, he defined unbelievers as sinners, but he didn&#8217;t define what he means by the use of the word, &#8220;sinner.&#8221;  In other words, it&#8217;s not a statement of the meaning of a word itself.  &#8220;Sinner,&#8221; in the English language:  a person who transgresses against divine law by committing an immoral act or acts.  Christians sometimes sin.  So, it seems to be special pleading to define a common term in a way that seems to only refer to one group (unbelievers), whereas it really describes everyone.  This is what I meant when I said people need to define terms.  And by the way, I don&#8217;t think I said that he didn&#8217;t, I simply made the statement that definition of terms should be addressed, especially if there seems to be ambiguity in meaning/communication.  The way he used the term didn&#8217;t make sense, in that everyone sins.  If one admits this, then why apply it only to unbelievers, if not then one is probably involved in a false teaching that Christians never sin.  Anyway, this is what I was referring to when I said one needs to define terms, whether or not one thinks did that adequately.  It&#8217;s sort of like trying to make a point, or win an argument, by definition.  Once you accept said definition, the argument is over.  You must cede to his viewpoint, if you accept the definitional use of the term, sinner.  It would be better to define sinner as what is commonly accepted, then argue from there.  If you don&#8217;t, you are assuming in your definition what you actually have to prove&#8230;which is circular reasoning.   &#8220;The article is more about giving oneself a proper name and then living up to it, rather than resigning oneself to a negative identity that does not encourage growth.&#8221;  I think the article is all about that, and if that&#8217;s the case, then why not speak more directly to that.  This presents needless confusion for the reader: &#8220;If you are a born-again child of God, you are not a sinner. You will&#8230;sin.&#8221;  Perhaps my point is that it is poorly written.  And, your insight about the purpose or intent is spot on.  Nice, Greg</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Typo:  should say, &quot;...but through it all, is what Paul addresses in Col. 3, and other places.]]></description>
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		By: Greg Apologia		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471297</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Apologia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2022 05:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471296&quot;&gt;Greg Apologia&lt;/a&gt;.

Typo:  should say, &quot;...but in through it all, is what Paul addresses in Col. 3, and other places.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thyblackman.com/2022/10/16/christians-are-not-sinners/comment-page-1/#comment-471296">Greg Apologia</a>.</p>
<p>Typo:  should say, &#8220;&#8230;but in through it all, is what Paul addresses in Col. 3, and other places.</p>
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