Comments on: Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Liberal/Progressives Will Decide This Election.

By: Greg Coley

Greg Coley — Sat, 24 Sep 2016 01:34:03 +0000

1.Hillary proved that she was a part of the establishment…the DNC backed her instead of Bernie.

2. The reason Hillary doesn’t change direction is simple…she truly believes America does not need to change. This is why progressives will not vote for her.

3. If Bill is not helping her like you say he can, what does that say about his viewpoint of her leading this country?

By: hmp49

hmp49 — Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:06:49 +0000

joe schmoe says:

“Bernie still holds power as the representative (not leader) of the Progressive movement, but he doesn’t have the power to determine the Progressive vote.”

You’re only right to the degree Sanders won’t be able to convince true progressives to vote for Clinton.

She’s going down, even if she manages to stay on her feet during the entire debate (unlikely)

By: hmp49

hmp49 — Sat, 24 Sep 2016 00:04:57 +0000

I remember the harassment I continued to get as a Sanders supporter, even after the outcome was clear.

“who does Sanders think he is, to think he has any influence? Clinton will win this by the greatest electoral victory ever, without any Sanders supporters”

And now? “If Clinton loses, it’s because of Sanders and his supporters”

By: Crabby Hayes

Crabby Hayes — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 23:34:06 +0000

What about those of us that are deplorables? I guess Hillary figures we are too dangerous to vote

By: Clementine W.

Clementine W. — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 22:08:58 +0000

I agree with so much of what you say, Mr. Paine. The problem is, there is really nothing HRC can do or say to sway those of us who are critical of her establishment/corporate allegiances and hawkish (and yes, racist) foreign policy. Any specific platforms she proposes for dealing with the county’s problems you so eloquently noted can only be viewed as expedient lies told to get elected. HRC IS establishment. She IS oligarchy. She IS a warmonger who wants to intensify wars in the Middle East, no matter how many Arab lives are lost. She is not going suddenly transform into something she is not. Some of us are not interested in her campaign strategies no matter how well thought out or tactical. We are more interested in whose side she is really on.

Finally, I will just say that if you live in America, Donald Trump stands for racism and bigotry, and he mouths off about it a lot. For many people who live in the Muslim world OUTSIDE of America, HRC stands for genocide–and she gets things done. This last part–getting things done–makes her more scary than Donald Trump to many in the Middle East, where hundreds of thousands of lives have been lost as a result of HRC’s programs. DT’s the potential Hitler; HRC’s the proven Hitler. Some of us Bernie supporters are rejecting this false dilemma and choosing someone (Jill Stein) who stands for a better way, even if it may take the country a while to follow.

By: joe schmoe

joe schmoe — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 15:32:09 +0000

I agree with Anthony, Bernie isn’t as “powerful” as you may think. He represented the Progressive movement in this country, but it is the Progressives who hold the power and Progressive voters have always held their ideals over the safe bet, as can be indicated by their aimlessness as voters ever since FDR eventually lost the progressive vote with his Japanese internment camps and over-zealous FBI. Bernie still holds power as the representative (not leader) of the Progressive movement, but he doesn’t have the power to determine the Progressive vote.

By: Anthony Belvedere

Anthony Belvedere — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 13:40:42 +0000

So far Bernie hasn’t generated very much support for Hillary. Perhaps that could change, but so far, I’m not seeing it. He had a few rallies in Ohio; one was attended by less than 200 people, and another one was canceled due to insufficient attendance forecasts. I am one of those that also will not vote for either of these 2 monsters. However, as okiecrab seems to be saying, I guess this whole election was rigged for Hillary from the start, and regardless of how the battleground states vote, she beats Trump in the Electoral College.

By: okiecrab

okiecrab — Fri, 23 Sep 2016 01:10:56 +0000

Hillary isn’t going to “save us” from anything other than the apparently nightmarish scenario of starting to put our government back in order instead of continuing our self-destructive and oligarchical oppression of our citizens. I’m not voting for either of these people – Trump is an incompetent buffoon and idiot, Hillary is an anti-democracy corporate shill and Republican and I absolutely will not give my support to either of these complete daggers in the US’ back.
Hillary is mathemtically unable to lose the electoral college, so this election was decided as soon as the Dem nominee was announced, which is why they rigged it and committed election fruad to make sure Hillary won. Trump would have to win EVERY battleground state to STILL NOT even TIE Hillary. She already has enough blue states to win and the reason that isn’t being reported it because the DNC wants it to be a HUGE win and not reveal how entirely pointless anyone’s voters are, by lying about it being “close”.