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		By: Aaron		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is bull crap. Libertarianism is not a political party. It is an ideology that many blacks already agree with. Tupac was basically a libertarian because he was always saying that the government instigates and encourages racism. Remember the lyric  &quot;Still II see no changes. They got a war on drugs so the police can bother me&quot;? Or how about when Lupe Fiasco criticizes Obama for continuing the extension of imperial influence around the world and called him a terrorist? This is also a libertarian policy. Don&#039;t box all libertarian policies into the political labels. That&#039;s incredibly unfair. Are you saying Bill Maher, a will known liberatarian, fits into the Republican Party&#039;s vision too? That&#039;s ridiculous. I feel that libertarianism fits me because I don&#039;t like big government playing father and spanking us into submission. This is especially true when she picks favorites. I remember being arrested for possession some time back. I&#039;ll admit that I am white and what I saw disgusted me. Most if not all of the other guys who were in the pews on my court date were black males. We were all being convicted of misdomeanor charges for possession. I even noticed when I was in jail that there were three black girls that were arrested for the same thing. I know that just as many whites do this kind of stuff and never get caught. Why should we allow government to regulate something like drug policy when they can&#039;t do it in a fare way for everybody? When I saw this I felt disheartened and realized racism must be live and well. What angered me most was the president&#039;s inaction and how he feels the government should play daddy and ruin these guys lives over simple mistakes. These are the same mistakes he got away with his whole life. Now he has this stupid &quot;smart on crime&quot; policy that offers no change and only gives these guys and girls more expensive punishment a lone shark called a probation officer that threatens you all the time for not being able to afford things.  I can&#039;t imagine what it must be like for the blacks I saw going through it. That&#039;s a huge reason why I looked into liberatarianism. Individual freedoms have to count for something. And that&#039;s especially true when you witness obvious unfairness caused by limiting those freedoms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is bull crap. Libertarianism is not a political party. It is an ideology that many blacks already agree with. Tupac was basically a libertarian because he was always saying that the government instigates and encourages racism. Remember the lyric  &#8220;Still II see no changes. They got a war on drugs so the police can bother me&#8221;? Or how about when Lupe Fiasco criticizes Obama for continuing the extension of imperial influence around the world and called him a terrorist? This is also a libertarian policy. Don&#8217;t box all libertarian policies into the political labels. That&#8217;s incredibly unfair. Are you saying Bill Maher, a will known liberatarian, fits into the Republican Party&#8217;s vision too? That&#8217;s ridiculous. I feel that libertarianism fits me because I don&#8217;t like big government playing father and spanking us into submission. This is especially true when she picks favorites. I remember being arrested for possession some time back. I&#8217;ll admit that I am white and what I saw disgusted me. Most if not all of the other guys who were in the pews on my court date were black males. We were all being convicted of misdomeanor charges for possession. I even noticed when I was in jail that there were three black girls that were arrested for the same thing. I know that just as many whites do this kind of stuff and never get caught. Why should we allow government to regulate something like drug policy when they can&#8217;t do it in a fare way for everybody? When I saw this I felt disheartened and realized racism must be live and well. What angered me most was the president&#8217;s inaction and how he feels the government should play daddy and ruin these guys lives over simple mistakes. These are the same mistakes he got away with his whole life. Now he has this stupid &#8220;smart on crime&#8221; policy that offers no change and only gives these guys and girls more expensive punishment a lone shark called a probation officer that threatens you all the time for not being able to afford things.  I can&#8217;t imagine what it must be like for the blacks I saw going through it. That&#8217;s a huge reason why I looked into liberatarianism. Individual freedoms have to count for something. And that&#8217;s especially true when you witness obvious unfairness caused by limiting those freedoms.</p>
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		By: sterling		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a Libertarain I have never had a problem with the federal government stepping in to correct problems at the state level, my problem is that they never step back out after correcting the situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Libertarain I have never had a problem with the federal government stepping in to correct problems at the state level, my problem is that they never step back out after correcting the situation.</p>
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		By: How Libertarianism Failed African-Americans &#171; Short Pundits Weblog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Marcus Vessey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Rich Paul Freeman here is my response to your assertion -&#062; The failure of modern libertarianism to prevent social oppression of specific populations. 

Nobel economist Gary Becker did research around 2 or so decades ago that showed that individuals will pay a cost to be racists.  It is called the taste for discrimination.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Becker

The premise of libertarianism (at least this model) is that economics is about rational behavior and opportunity cost. That people, if left without government intervention to the greatest extent possible, will make rational choices that lead to their best interest and hence society&#039;s best interest. 

The problem is this - Some people (not just white people) are willing to pay additional cost to support their prejudices. They are willing to pay $1.05 even if another business owner who is of the discriminated race may be selling the exact product for $1.00. 

When those prejudices are systematic, the majority will make decisions to &#039;pay&#039; for their discrimination, even in the face of greater cost savings or opportunities provided by the group they are discriminating against. When this occurs, you create a social and economic condition of oppression that exists under the guise of lack of government intervention and equal treatment under the law. 

The simple and most obvious example of this is work place nepotism.  How many people do you know that have gotten a job because of their family position, or relationships that weren&#039;t as qualified as another individual? The &#039;boss&#039; was willing to hire an individual with a weaker skill set set because other considerations were taking that were beyond additional net profit growth. 

So libertarianism cannot overcome a social system in which people groups are marginalized by the larger society for whatever reason.  Therefore it is equal only in theory and never can be in practice. 

In that regard it is very much like communism. An ideology that is only &quot;fair&quot; on paper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich Paul Freeman here is my response to your assertion -&gt; The failure of modern libertarianism to prevent social oppression of specific populations. </p>
<p>Nobel economist Gary Becker did research around 2 or so decades ago that showed that individuals will pay a cost to be racists.  It is called the taste for discrimination.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Becker" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Becker</a></p>
<p>The premise of libertarianism (at least this model) is that economics is about rational behavior and opportunity cost. That people, if left without government intervention to the greatest extent possible, will make rational choices that lead to their best interest and hence society&#8217;s best interest. </p>
<p>The problem is this &#8211; Some people (not just white people) are willing to pay additional cost to support their prejudices. They are willing to pay $1.05 even if another business owner who is of the discriminated race may be selling the exact product for $1.00. </p>
<p>When those prejudices are systematic, the majority will make decisions to &#8216;pay&#8217; for their discrimination, even in the face of greater cost savings or opportunities provided by the group they are discriminating against. When this occurs, you create a social and economic condition of oppression that exists under the guise of lack of government intervention and equal treatment under the law. </p>
<p>The simple and most obvious example of this is work place nepotism.  How many people do you know that have gotten a job because of their family position, or relationships that weren&#8217;t as qualified as another individual? The &#8216;boss&#8217; was willing to hire an individual with a weaker skill set set because other considerations were taking that were beyond additional net profit growth. </p>
<p>So libertarianism cannot overcome a social system in which people groups are marginalized by the larger society for whatever reason.  Therefore it is equal only in theory and never can be in practice. </p>
<p>In that regard it is very much like communism. An ideology that is only &#8220;fair&#8221; on paper.</p>
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		By: DaTruth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Tom

As far the black american community is concerned, Libetarianism is just another false promise of opportunity and equality. Its just like the same BS people once supported back in the 1930s about communism, many blacks were duped that under communism racism couldn&#039;t exist. History has proven that to be a great lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tom</p>
<p>As far the black american community is concerned, Libetarianism is just another false promise of opportunity and equality. Its just like the same BS people once supported back in the 1930s about communism, many blacks were duped that under communism racism couldn&#8217;t exist. History has proven that to be a great lie.</p>
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		By: Evan Rogers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IT&#039;s funny that you wrote that libertarianism runs counter to everything that blacks have LEARNED about the civil rights.

True that.

Did you know that the bus company that Rosa Parks was riding that fateful day actually fought AGAINST the segregation laws put into place by the government?

Yeah. They wanted money. That&#039;s how libertarianism works: everyone&#039;s money is the same, so you probably shouldn&#039;t piss off your customers.

Also, anyone who thinks that libertarianism and the Republican Party (no, NOT &quot;Republicanism&quot; -- those mean completely different things, you moron) are similar really is an idiot.

Oh well, another waste of time article.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT&#8217;s funny that you wrote that libertarianism runs counter to everything that blacks have LEARNED about the civil rights.</p>
<p>True that.</p>
<p>Did you know that the bus company that Rosa Parks was riding that fateful day actually fought AGAINST the segregation laws put into place by the government?</p>
<p>Yeah. They wanted money. That&#8217;s how libertarianism works: everyone&#8217;s money is the same, so you probably shouldn&#8217;t piss off your customers.</p>
<p>Also, anyone who thinks that libertarianism and the Republican Party (no, NOT &#8220;Republicanism&#8221; &#8212; those mean completely different things, you moron) are similar really is an idiot.</p>
<p>Oh well, another waste of time article.</p>
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		By: Rich Paul Freeman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 11:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I disagree completely with the premise of this article.  Libertarianism seeks a color blind society, in which the law treats everyone equally regardless of irrelevent factors like race, gender, orientation or nationality.  Although nobody in a Libertarian soceity would be *forced* to do business with anyone, if he chose otherwise, the laws of economics will cause businesses who do business with anybody to do better -- make more money -- than those which operate in a bigoted fashon.  Therefore, in the long run, greed will force business owners to operate in a color blind fashon.  This may seem like too slow a remedy, but the alternative ... explicitly forcing people to do business when they choose not to ... is a violation of human rights.  Nobody has a right to force others to deal with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely with the premise of this article.  Libertarianism seeks a color blind society, in which the law treats everyone equally regardless of irrelevent factors like race, gender, orientation or nationality.  Although nobody in a Libertarian soceity would be *forced* to do business with anyone, if he chose otherwise, the laws of economics will cause businesses who do business with anybody to do better &#8212; make more money &#8212; than those which operate in a bigoted fashon.  Therefore, in the long run, greed will force business owners to operate in a color blind fashon.  This may seem like too slow a remedy, but the alternative &#8230; explicitly forcing people to do business when they choose not to &#8230; is a violation of human rights.  Nobody has a right to force others to deal with them.</p>
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		By: Yes, How Libertarianism Failed African-Americans. : ThyBlackMan.com &#124; @EconomicMayhem		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] http://thyblackman.com/2013/01/24/yes-how-libertarianism-failed-african-americans/ This is a very good piece, but please read the comments. The government caused many of the problems African-Americans faced. On another note, the article touches on how government programs helped African-Americans. This is important to consider. Conservative need to find ways to help liberals out of poverty with smaller government or at least in the short term government with less regulations. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] <a href="http://thyblackman.com/2013/01/24/yes-how-libertarianism-failed-african-americans/" rel="ugc">http://thyblackman.com/2013/01/24/yes-how-libertarianism-failed-african-americans/</a> This is a very good piece, but please read the comments. The government caused many of the problems African-Americans faced. On another note, the article touches on how government programs helped African-Americans. This is important to consider. Conservative need to find ways to help liberals out of poverty with smaller government or at least in the short term government with less regulations. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 05:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To DaTruth: do you even known what libertarianism is? It holds that no one is allowed to initiate violence against anyone else. Does that sound a lot like the KKK to you? Duh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To DaTruth: do you even known what libertarianism is? It holds that no one is allowed to initiate violence against anyone else. Does that sound a lot like the KKK to you? Duh.</p>
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		By: kulanapan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kulanapan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Without police officers to arrest violators, how is segregation enforced?

Sorry, your arguments hinge on one giant flaw - that government wasn&#039;t the enforcer of segregation. Jim Crow LAWS were the result of government. They were not the result of small government, they were the result of despotic government. You seek salvation from government...in government. You argue a contradiction.

I mourn what happened to African Americans in our nation&#039;s history. But the answer to peace is not revenge. And peace does not lie in big government. Peace lies in the strong moral fabric of a society that values equality. Equality is not just upheld by law, but by the convictions of a people. If the people themselves do not believe in equality, then it doesn&#039;t matter what the government tries to do, or how big there government becomes, liberty is already lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without police officers to arrest violators, how is segregation enforced?</p>
<p>Sorry, your arguments hinge on one giant flaw &#8211; that government wasn&#8217;t the enforcer of segregation. Jim Crow LAWS were the result of government. They were not the result of small government, they were the result of despotic government. You seek salvation from government&#8230;in government. You argue a contradiction.</p>
<p>I mourn what happened to African Americans in our nation&#8217;s history. But the answer to peace is not revenge. And peace does not lie in big government. Peace lies in the strong moral fabric of a society that values equality. Equality is not just upheld by law, but by the convictions of a people. If the people themselves do not believe in equality, then it doesn&#8217;t matter what the government tries to do, or how big there government becomes, liberty is already lost.</p>
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