You make some great points, as always, but feminism is a European or white American concept. Black people didn’t create that, they followed it because we were programmed to follow, not lead. You’re also right; we did do better when we were segregated, but why? We did better because of what you mentioned earlier, the natural law of survival. We had to rely on ourselves and when you have to rely on only yourself, you either sink or swim. We chose to swim. You’re also right that the white man controls the Black women’s mind, but he controls the Black man’s as well, otherwise, we’d be creating more opportunities for ourselves rather then waiting for someone else to do it.

Your point about women calling Black men dogs, but not calling themselves the B word is interesting. If you look at African traditions, when it comes to marriage, men didn’t have the dog mentality; which I believe started during slavery because it wasn’t about marriage, it was about producing more free labor. In Africa the parents got together and chose the wife or gave permission to the son to marry the women of his choosing. A dowry was involved. Marriage wasn’t just about the bride and groom, but was a contract between two families. This still happens in the majority of the cases, but because of the African colonial mindset and following behind us here in the US, some African women have taken on the same characteristics of the sisters you talk about.

The men do the same by taking leadership roles for power and money and not helping their people. Now I’m not going to say that it’s all based on slavery and the colonial mind because civilizations change from powerful to weak based on their morals and values, which have totally been lost in this country for the sake of what they think is progress. Now in my personal situation, as I said I’m also at fault, so in my case, I can’t put all the blame on the Black women. But I understand your point and I think you understand mine, so I won’t comment anymore on the subject, at least not on this thread.

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“He who finds a wife finds a god thing. And obtains favor from the Lord”

Commentary: How many single women do you know who are almost consumed by the desire to get married? There are so many women who are longing for a relationship they are not ready to receive. If you are going to walk with God, you must understand something: Tming is everything. When the Lord has prepared the right man for you and you for him, and that man shows up at the right time, you must be sure that you are in the right place with the right perspective to receive all that God wants to release to you.

Often, because of lod issues you haven’t dealt with or old wounds that haven’t healed, you may find yourself wandering around in a stupor somewhere, emotionally unprepared for a healthy relationship. You will not be able to be the “good thing” you were meant to be in your husband’s life. Unless you are healed and whole, your man will not feel that He’s enjoying the Lord’s favor in his relationship with you

Ladies, men do not exist to bring the favor of the Lord to your lives, either. You find the favor of the Lord by being the woman He created you to be–by breaking the chains with which the devil had you bound, by knowing the Lord passionately and intimately, by walking in His power and worshipping Him with your life. You must take responsibility for making yourself, with God’s help, the good thing He wants you to be.

Notice that the Bible does not say that whoever finds a woman finds a good thing. It says that whoever finda a wife finds a good thing. But how can you be a wife before you have a husband? You become a wife in your spirit. Yes, you become a wife in your spirit before you ever get married. That way, you will be prepared to be a wife in other ways. If you are not prepared, if you do not have the annointing of the Holy Spirit, you will find yourself dragginf your ugly past into what could be the most beautiful relationship of your life.

My sister, do what you need to do in order to be whole. The Lord heals. The Lord mends. The Lord restores. And He will make you a woman of strength, grace and wholeness. When He has done His work, you will be such a good thing.”

Like I said before Terence, it is not your job to save these women because you can never be redemption for anyone. You could be used as a tool through which the message of redemption comes through. But that’s about it. Jesus was the message of redemption, not redemption itself. By living a certain you can come back to the graces of the Creator. But you definitely, as a Woman, will not get there by abusing Man and think he will bless you with marriage. The commentary state that “men do not exist to bring the favor of the Lord to your lives, either. You find the favor of the Lord by being the woman He created you to be.” The woman He created woman to be was one who was obedient to him first. Remember, Man did not get dominion over woman until she sinned. The original woman’s only commandment, when first created, was to be Man’s companion. So all these women out here with their degrees, and jobs, and throwing it up in the black man;s face, are so far away from what they are supposed to be, Black women better be glad black men stayed around as long as they have. That shows you how merciful we have become. However, in that scripture, it didn’t say what color that woman was to be either. It just says wife. No black woman can escape the bullshit she is exhbiting out here. That spiritual scope is on you. If you’re gonna criticize men for being dogs, then criticize the bitches he lays down with as well. because if the bitches didn’t exist, the dogs couldn’t. Your man can either be a Lion (who protects the cubs which are the legacy) or he can be a dog (randomly inseminating bitches in his travels) and moving on. Neither one is wrong per se, you just have to know what type of woman you are. And if you are the bitch type, don’t run down to child support trying to make a Man be responsible, when you weren’t responsible enough to at least be married before you had a child and now have a bastard child and are looking for other people (courts) to do your job for you. Now if any woman challenges this, it proves how truly worthless they are. I’ve actually seen enough to know that most are anyway. It will just further confirm what I have seen all these years. I could write a book on this shit but it would be a waste of time. Most of these black women refuse to change because they don’t fear God. The words i speak come from that Bible so when they reject me, they are rejecting God, so what else is there to talk about?

I love you Brother because in your own way, you’re trying to help our people, and I don’t want you to feel I’m disagreeing with what you and hoodgirl are saying. You both speak the truth, but what I am trying to get you to see is that you’re looking on the surface of things. You’re only looking at the effects and not the causes. You mentioned the situation in the department store where you said if you were white, the child and mother would have obeyed you. You also mentioned about Harriet Tubman having to force people to freedom. There are two things in common here, and this is why I believe the negative affects from slavery still exist. In each example there was a fear of the white man. So much so that some of our ancestors were afraid to be free. Kind of sounds like the mentality we have today if you think about it.

This may not be the best example because there were serious penalties if you were caught. My point is in both cases they were programmed to fear the white man. You see this play out in many ways as you already know. This type of programming has not been addressed to the level it should. I also think this is why we don’t work together for fear of what would happen if we did, like the loss of a job, funding, etc. You also mentioned about the Indians who were colonized and why they can come here and own businesses and we can’t. You can say the same thing about any people who were colonized, even Africans, although I think they concentrate more on education. But they were also programmed negatively. In the case of India, It took Gandhi and others like him to let his people know that they actually had the power, not the Europeans, same thing in Africa.

But still, how does the smallest population (European) of only 10% control the rest of the 90%? Initially it is by force, but after time it’s mentally. They still control our resources in Africa. The difference between those who were colonized and us are they still had their identity intact. They know where they came from; they know their language and history. We don’t have any of that. We have Black bodies, with a European mind. In Africa to this day they think as a community, the European thinks as an individual unless it benefits them. This is why as you said we did better as a community segregated than we do now with this so called integration. We also had no one to rely on but ourselves. As individuals we are doing okay, but as a community, well we really don’t have one. I’m trying to get our people to realize we can do more together than we can apart.

As far as my personal information, I grew up in the hood and was a knuckle head when I was younger. I believe you, Sankofa, and Mack call them Kneegrows or something like that. LOL, I had a totally different mindset then I do now. It sounds pathetic but, I thought the only way to come up was through sports or drugs, even though I had family members who had degrees and were successful. But even around that environment, my mentality was focused on the negative. Fortunately a seed was planted, that finally grew and allowed me to become a seeker of the knowledge of self and then knowledge in general. I guess you would call me a late bloomer. Having that kind of knowledge, you can’t go back to the way you were. So no, I’m not married and it’s partly my fault, but also based on the things you mentioned about our Sisters. But I do know my Queen is out there, I just haven’t met her yet. The last thing I want to say is to not give up on your Sisters. I believe there’s a hoodgirl out there for you too, but you won’t find her if you’re not looking for her.

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I take your actual question: “How do you know that what you call saving might [not] be thwarting God’s will?” There are several reasons, of which I will only share one: it has always been God’s will to save SOME. It is consistent through the Bible — THOROUGH reading is fundamental. Now, God’s judgments are terrible in the true sense of the word — I referenced the time that He spared eight out of what may have been BILLIONS of people. A little later — you referenced Lot’s wife a little while ago — He spared a father and two daughters out of five entire cities, not because they were great people, as the rest of the chapter proves, but because of His GRACE, in concert with the prayer of a not-perfect-but-generally-righteous man by the name of Abraham. Now God would have remained perfectly righteous had He destroyed each and every person in those two cases — and by that token, I do not say that you are WRONG in your observations. But your observation is not the whole of the picture. Black people as a group are indeed in need of serious discipline. But as individuals, some are too young to have “transgressed,” some have remained pure, and some have come through their discipline and are working to get right. Over and over again, provisions have been made for them — Terrance is working to provide, and we all know, don’t we, that a Black man working to provide ought to be respected, right?

Now about those loopholes… “And if black people continue to stray from the Path, which they seem like they are content with doing for the foreseeable future, then there is nothing your Hope can do to assuage the Wrath of our Creator. That head will get bust wide open. Look in your book and tell me if I am wrong. The very thing that I talk about is in there. Or did you forget.” — no, I didn’t forget. But, THOROUGH READING IS FUNDAMENTAL. “I will continue to wield the sword until there is no reason to. Even your Jesus said he will return with a Flaming Sword. What does that imply to you? That doesn’t look like hope to me. That looks like some heads will be getting taken off from the Lamb. I want black people to see my words and know that they will not shirk their responsibilties and try to blame other people for their shortcomings.” Correct in every point. But the key words are “SOME HEADS WILL BE GETTING TAKEN OFF.” That requires that some heads WILL NOT be coming off. And indeed, the book you referenced is that of Revelation, and you are referring to chapter 19 (the sword does not flame, but proceeds from His mouth; the flaming sword is in Genesis); in chapter 7 of that same book, there are two groups of people, one of which is so large that no man can number it, that are saved out of the worst series of judgments in all of Holy Writ. The Book is consistent from beginning to end in describing God’s commitment preserving that remnant… THOROUGH reading remains fundamental! It is upon that consistency that many of those who are concerned about the welfare of the remnant of Black people, those who will either be taught better or decide to do better, stand.

“I have spent years trying to fight this mentality when maybe I should be trying to capitalize off of it since these women love the hoe culture. Because clearly when I speak against it, it’s a problem.” Not for me. The specific problem that caused me to address you column-foot for column-foot on this occasion is that you felt the need to be dismissive of the ideas and efforts of someone who has a different approach than you to deal with the problems among Black people, someone who is a valued colleague to me. Not that Terrance Amen needs me to defend him; his body of work stands for itself. But he is a Black man I have worked with and respect, who is doing what he can for the Black people he can right here in North America. So I come on here to make a distinction for all readers of discerning mind: Just because YOU are “tired of the negro and negress and their excuse making” doesn’t mean Terrance and those of like mind are wrong. You have a valid reason to be tired. Others have equally valid reasons to NOT be tired — to not get weary in well-doing, as the Scripture elsewhere reads — on behalf of Black people right here in North America.

There is not a way in the world that the efforts of those that see a future for Black people in North America are going to do much for the majority in a short period of time — even in the specific case of unemployment, one of the things holding Black people back is a lack of respect for authority, and that goes from how we approach people to how we follow instructions. And, the problem does seem to be worse among Black women than men. It is not a problem that is not solvable for the masses by the minority who does know what’s up, at least not within a generation. Messes that take a while to get into take at least that long to get out of, and we are in a MESS covering more than one generation. All that is true.

Be all that as it may, you yourself prove that if a Black person went forward with the idea of helping one in 40 Black people or so (that is the approximate number, if memory serves, in Terrance’s work), there are still Black people that are receptive to the ideas of family and community building, traditional values, and wealth creation, some of whom need to know that there are vehicles by which they can come together and work together. But even if the number were one in 400 or even 4,000, that is still too many Black folks to throw away for some of us, those of us that have relatives, friends, and students who want to do better and need to see models of HOW.

My grandparents and great-grandparents had something in common: they, working in concert with the local organizations (of course, the churches of those days), “saved” their neighborhoods. But they did not just start when they were married; they were already working on it singly and came together to do more. Each brought key pieces to the table, and the mergers were fruitful in every way because the commitment to doing as much good as possible for those around them was already established.

Today, the churches are not doing as well; there is definitely room for that organizational piece to come from elsewhere — hence, what Terrance is trying to build can take up some of that spot. The piece by which we recognize that what we as a majority are doing is leading us to destruction also needs to be presented in no uncertain terms — and you’re doing a great job, Ramses. And there will be room — always — for Black people who are in the work to help those that can be helped to come together as families around whatever pieces of the “ark” they are working on. But the two are NOT mutually exclusive. Natural law can be respected while organizations are built — because again, it’s not everybody’s calling to be a prophet of doom OR to be doomed. And those that claim the Bible supports their position really should read it first — there is not a single prophetical book without a section or two of hope and grace for those that will receive it. Terrance is on THAT side, the side offering hope and grace. So am I. Surely you can respect that without writing column-FEET, not inches, trying to talk us out of it; you are so practical and sensible a man I hate seeing you waste your time…

Thank you, Sankofa, you did a great job in explaining what I was talking about, but there is one thing I notice about people, including myself, and that is people will hear what they want to hear. In all my comments on this site, I never said I hate white people because it takes too much time and effort from what I really want to do. I have said I hate what white people have done to us and are still doing to us. I’ve always said that we as a people are the problem and also the solution. I don’t dwell on the past, but I believe as Sankofa said you should know it in order to learn from it. Ramses all the issues you talked about in the Black community are a direct result of the slave mind. You keep saying we are messed up and sick, but you refuse to see where the sickness came from.
You and hoodgirl think that by focusing only on one thing (economics) this will change everything.

But you said it yourself, we haven’t focused on that. By the way I cover economics in my book. I tried to cover the business side, but I also cover why we don’t have businesses even though it would help us become more independent rather then dependent. I won’t go over some of the things you said because Sankofa did an excellent job in saying what I was talking about. But I will address a few things he didn’t mention. Hoodgirl as far as Malcolm X being killed, he was killed because he got too involved in the press and they can be your best friend, or your worst enemy. He was killed because he talked about personal issues regarding the Leader of the Nation of Islam and that was not acceptable then and probably not now either, with any great leader. Hoodgirl you also said Malcolm changed his mindset when he realized that the people he called devils were also Muslims.

But he also started the OAU, (Organization of African Unity) and this organization was for Black people only because he knew we needed to solve our own problems. Ramses you mentioned that Malcolm X would have been better off becoming a lawyer, but it was the Nation that took him from the gutter (mind) and turned him into the man we all admire today, where he was able to reach his full potential. They also did this for a lot of our Brothers and Sisters. This is basically what I’m trying to do, without the religious part. Unfortunately you still had people who thought on lower levels and became jealous of him and wanted to bring him down. The Nation is not perfect, but they did a lot for our people. Malcolm X was just one example. What I realize is we are in different camps. I won’t say what camp you are in because you already know.

The camp I’m in is the one you mentioned Ramses, and that is the camp that believes in his people strong enough that I am willing to strive to help my people be the best they can be, in all areas of their lives. I know it won’t be easy, but it will be worth it. You mentioned how you respect your ancestors, but now you’re telling people that we are a lost cause and shouldn’t even bother. Well if our ancestors followed that logic, their would be no Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Nation of Islam, Black Panthers and all the other individuals and organizations that gave up their lives to help bring our people together. I believe that by working together, just like every other ethnic group, we can become financially independent and happy, and I’m dedicating the rest of my life to see it happen. If that makes me a fool, I’ll be in great company.

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