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		By: Ramses		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2012/12/19/black-community-leadership-or-pleadership/comment-page-1/#comment-39229</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 20:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you put that documentary about Thomas Sankara...never heard about him...betrayed by his so called brother....that&#039;s that shit that makes me not support these excuses negroes make, no matter what continent they live on...this is karma what we are going through and there&#039;s no way around it.  Until we admit our own wrongdoings in the past, we will never be free from this curse.  Never]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you put that documentary about Thomas Sankara&#8230;never heard about him&#8230;betrayed by his so called brother&#8230;.that&#8217;s that shit that makes me not support these excuses negroes make, no matter what continent they live on&#8230;this is karma what we are going through and there&#8217;s no way around it.  Until we admit our own wrongdoings in the past, we will never be free from this curse.  Never</p>
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		By: Kevin		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2012/12/19/black-community-leadership-or-pleadership/comment-page-1/#comment-39215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For more insight on what limits leaders, search for and watch &quot;Thomas sankara the Upright Man&quot;.]]></description>
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		By: Ramses		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2012/12/19/black-community-leadership-or-pleadership/comment-page-1/#comment-38815</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 05:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The institution of the &quot;Church&quot; has been in control of the world for the last 2000 years.  We have seen governments come and go,  but the Vatican has stayed intact.  No matter what your church is (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian) it is controlled by the Vatican.  Even the Bible you read was patented by them.  In order to patent something, according to law, you have to own it or created it.  So how has the so-called Word of God become patented if it&#039;s His law?  I tend to take things to a much deeper level and I lose people sometimes.  I used the pyramid as a metaphor to show the knowledge we have lost as a collective.  No pyramid has been built since we have fell from the throne which says a lot.  Since the Vatican has been in control of the world, we have seen Slavery, Child Pedophilia, Inquisitions, Feminism, and a whole host of civilization destroying events take place.  Every time a Pope dies, why do politicians show up at their funerals?  It&#039;s not like they&#039;re catholic.  But I don&#039;t want to get into a tit for tat back and forth.  You believe the Church is doing good things.  I don&#039;t.  I see things differently than you and that&#039;s ok.  However, if we haven&#039;t leanred anything in the last twenty years, we have learned that our institutions from govt to churches have been extremely compromised, thus making them obsolete.  There are churches on every corner like liquor stores and obviously they&#039;re talking something people can&#039;t relate to.  That&#039;s why me an my team will be writing an updated scroll of sciptures for these modern times.  Instead of looking back in time all the time, we need to write about what we are experiencing right now.  We are going through some sick stuff right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The institution of the &#8220;Church&#8221; has been in control of the world for the last 2000 years.  We have seen governments come and go,  but the Vatican has stayed intact.  No matter what your church is (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian) it is controlled by the Vatican.  Even the Bible you read was patented by them.  In order to patent something, according to law, you have to own it or created it.  So how has the so-called Word of God become patented if it&#8217;s His law?  I tend to take things to a much deeper level and I lose people sometimes.  I used the pyramid as a metaphor to show the knowledge we have lost as a collective.  No pyramid has been built since we have fell from the throne which says a lot.  Since the Vatican has been in control of the world, we have seen Slavery, Child Pedophilia, Inquisitions, Feminism, and a whole host of civilization destroying events take place.  Every time a Pope dies, why do politicians show up at their funerals?  It&#8217;s not like they&#8217;re catholic.  But I don&#8217;t want to get into a tit for tat back and forth.  You believe the Church is doing good things.  I don&#8217;t.  I see things differently than you and that&#8217;s ok.  However, if we haven&#8217;t leanred anything in the last twenty years, we have learned that our institutions from govt to churches have been extremely compromised, thus making them obsolete.  There are churches on every corner like liquor stores and obviously they&#8217;re talking something people can&#8217;t relate to.  That&#8217;s why me an my team will be writing an updated scroll of sciptures for these modern times.  Instead of looking back in time all the time, we need to write about what we are experiencing right now.  We are going through some sick stuff right now.</p>
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		By: Deeann D. Mathews		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2012/12/19/black-community-leadership-or-pleadership/comment-page-1/#comment-38814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deeann D. Mathews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 04:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ramses -- Your gist is well-taken, but the logic of your historical analysis is not quite sound. To effectively stack &quot;the church&quot; up against the pyramid in terms of industry, you would need to track how many church people built industries and institutions on the weekdays, for the past several hundred years.  After all, one goes to the building for perhaps 4-6 hours; to analyze the effectiveness of the church is basically to judge what kind of work and how it sustains the work its members are doing for those other 162 hours a week. I leave to the excellence of your logic to understand what the outcome of that historical research would be.  Even to this day, the church still nourishes a fair number of people who are quietly doing excellent work, although, granted, things aren&#039;t the way they used to be.  The last 20-30 years have indeed seen a  decline. But as I have said to you more than once, reports of a demise are premature...

&quot;It’s clear that the church is not operating on behalf of The Most High because as 501c (3) corporations (look it up) they have to follow IRS guidelines which dictate their nontaxable status. So the question is if the church cannot speak the truth in the pulpit, then what are they really teaching? Is the church loyal to God or the government? I don’t make emotional statements they are always based in reason and logic. Seems like the church is trying to serve two masters.&quot; -- that is a conflation of logic worthy of a volume all its  own.  It so happens I have recently had occasion to look up the requirements for a church to maintain its 501c3 status... Very little if anything in those requirements could be construed as preventing a church from carrying out its mandates relative to teaching the Word of God and equipping its members to live out that Word.  Not even the IRS trumps the First Amendment just yet.  Now, when the church gets money from government to work on different projects, that is when government control does cause restrictions -- but that is by no means is the majority of churches in this country.  The irony is that the choice you set up does not even apply in a fair amount of churches, for neither God nor the government are the first concern.  The gist of what you are saying remains well-taken.  But, specifically, the church vs. the pyramid. You are right; there is no comparison, but as historical uses go for the well-being and industry of Black people in the past several hundred years, it is not the church that loses by that comparison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ramses &#8212; Your gist is well-taken, but the logic of your historical analysis is not quite sound. To effectively stack &#8220;the church&#8221; up against the pyramid in terms of industry, you would need to track how many church people built industries and institutions on the weekdays, for the past several hundred years.  After all, one goes to the building for perhaps 4-6 hours; to analyze the effectiveness of the church is basically to judge what kind of work and how it sustains the work its members are doing for those other 162 hours a week. I leave to the excellence of your logic to understand what the outcome of that historical research would be.  Even to this day, the church still nourishes a fair number of people who are quietly doing excellent work, although, granted, things aren&#8217;t the way they used to be.  The last 20-30 years have indeed seen a  decline. But as I have said to you more than once, reports of a demise are premature&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;It’s clear that the church is not operating on behalf of The Most High because as 501c (3) corporations (look it up) they have to follow IRS guidelines which dictate their nontaxable status. So the question is if the church cannot speak the truth in the pulpit, then what are they really teaching? Is the church loyal to God or the government? I don’t make emotional statements they are always based in reason and logic. Seems like the church is trying to serve two masters.&#8221; &#8212; that is a conflation of logic worthy of a volume all its  own.  It so happens I have recently had occasion to look up the requirements for a church to maintain its 501c3 status&#8230; Very little if anything in those requirements could be construed as preventing a church from carrying out its mandates relative to teaching the Word of God and equipping its members to live out that Word.  Not even the IRS trumps the First Amendment just yet.  Now, when the church gets money from government to work on different projects, that is when government control does cause restrictions &#8212; but that is by no means is the majority of churches in this country.  The irony is that the choice you set up does not even apply in a fair amount of churches, for neither God nor the government are the first concern.  The gist of what you are saying remains well-taken.  But, specifically, the church vs. the pyramid. You are right; there is no comparison, but as historical uses go for the well-being and industry of Black people in the past several hundred years, it is not the church that loses by that comparison.</p>
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		By: Ramses		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So if they have a lot of wealth, why is the &quot;community&quot; not creating anything of value (industry).  Put it like this, I don&#039;t see the church making a positive impact and that was the gist of my statement.  We all know how black people get real sensitive when you say something about the church!!!! lol...The church and God is two different things.  It&#039;s clear that the church is not operating on behalf of The Most High because as 501c (3) corporations (look it up) they have to follow IRS guidelines which dictate their nontaxable status.  So the question is if the church cannot speak the truth in the pulpit, then what are they really teaching?  Is the church loyal to God or the government?  I don&#039;t make emotional statements they are always based in reason and logic.  Seems like the church is trying to serve two masters]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if they have a lot of wealth, why is the &#8220;community&#8221; not creating anything of value (industry).  Put it like this, I don&#8217;t see the church making a positive impact and that was the gist of my statement.  We all know how black people get real sensitive when you say something about the church!!!! lol&#8230;The church and God is two different things.  It&#8217;s clear that the church is not operating on behalf of The Most High because as 501c (3) corporations (look it up) they have to follow IRS guidelines which dictate their nontaxable status.  So the question is if the church cannot speak the truth in the pulpit, then what are they really teaching?  Is the church loyal to God or the government?  I don&#8217;t make emotional statements they are always based in reason and logic.  Seems like the church is trying to serve two masters</p>
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		By: Deeann D. Mathews		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2012/12/19/black-community-leadership-or-pleadership/comment-page-1/#comment-38807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deeann D. Mathews]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 03:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Ramses  I cannot pass this without comment:  &quot;Church can’t compete with a pyramid. Takes men with a clear connection with the Neteru to do stuff like that. I’ve never seen a deacon create a pyramid but I’ve definitely seen him pass around a collection plate and ask (beg) for a donation.&quot;  There is a very large logical fallacy: who have any of us ever seen building a pyramid lately?  Meanwhile, churches continue to build wealth; some may not be using it for the community as well as they did in times past, and that is rightfully a cause for disdain.  But do a little more research before you knock the deacon; as a class of Black men, the deacon remains a force to be reckoned with in terms of wealth and institution building!

Meanwhile, I personally know deacons and other churchmen who in their daily life built family-saving wealth out of a background of deep poverty, men inspired and sustained by their connection with God through the Lord Jesus Christ.    There is no gain saying of our people&#039;s Christian heritage that will change that historical fact --  the fact that you and I sit here with the opportunities we enjoy today likely has as much to do with hard-working Christian ancestors as it does with those more far more distant ancestors who built  the pyramids.   Had I time, I would discourse at great, great length at the uses of the church vs. those of the pyramid in terms of the welfare of Black people for the last 600 years even to this day... but you and I are both practical people with a knowledge of history,  so I suffice myself with the same bit of encouragement to you: go refresh your knowledge of recent Black history before you go again on permanent record knocking  the family, financial, and community leaders that have come out of the Black church!  It may be fashionable to poo-pooh that vast body of history, but it is unwise!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ramses  I cannot pass this without comment:  &#8220;Church can’t compete with a pyramid. Takes men with a clear connection with the Neteru to do stuff like that. I’ve never seen a deacon create a pyramid but I’ve definitely seen him pass around a collection plate and ask (beg) for a donation.&#8221;  There is a very large logical fallacy: who have any of us ever seen building a pyramid lately?  Meanwhile, churches continue to build wealth; some may not be using it for the community as well as they did in times past, and that is rightfully a cause for disdain.  But do a little more research before you knock the deacon; as a class of Black men, the deacon remains a force to be reckoned with in terms of wealth and institution building!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I personally know deacons and other churchmen who in their daily life built family-saving wealth out of a background of deep poverty, men inspired and sustained by their connection with God through the Lord Jesus Christ.    There is no gain saying of our people&#8217;s Christian heritage that will change that historical fact &#8212;  the fact that you and I sit here with the opportunities we enjoy today likely has as much to do with hard-working Christian ancestors as it does with those more far more distant ancestors who built  the pyramids.   Had I time, I would discourse at great, great length at the uses of the church vs. those of the pyramid in terms of the welfare of Black people for the last 600 years even to this day&#8230; but you and I are both practical people with a knowledge of history,  so I suffice myself with the same bit of encouragement to you: go refresh your knowledge of recent Black history before you go again on permanent record knocking  the family, financial, and community leaders that have come out of the Black church!  It may be fashionable to poo-pooh that vast body of history, but it is unwise!</p>
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		By: Patty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 01:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When your book will be out Ramses, let us know!]]></description>
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		By: Ramses		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ramses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome steph and I got a book that&#039;s coming...not sure black people will like it&#039;s content but me and my brothers are working on some updated scriptures for these modern times....I didn&#039;t charge you for that info..I gave it to you because I was blessed with it so even though most people don&#039;t like what I say, my good deeds show..but most prophets are not respected in their homelands anyway]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome steph and I got a book that&#8217;s coming&#8230;not sure black people will like it&#8217;s content but me and my brothers are working on some updated scriptures for these modern times&#8230;.I didn&#8217;t charge you for that info..I gave it to you because I was blessed with it so even though most people don&#8217;t like what I say, my good deeds show..but most prophets are not respected in their homelands anyway</p>
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		By: Steph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I forgot to add that what you wrote Ramses yesterday below is really deep!  You should write books.  Who knows?  Maybe you are the next person who can write a masterpiece for Black America such as Powernomics from Dr.  Claud Anderson.  This book is the Marshall Plan or the New Deal for Black America.  People should also listen to Dr.  Anderson&#039;s speeches on YouTube.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add that what you wrote Ramses yesterday below is really deep!  You should write books.  Who knows?  Maybe you are the next person who can write a masterpiece for Black America such as Powernomics from Dr.  Claud Anderson.  This book is the Marshall Plan or the New Deal for Black America.  People should also listen to Dr.  Anderson&#8217;s speeches on YouTube.</p>
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		By: Steph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ramses for giving us the information about the book!]]></description>
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