Comments on: Whitney Houston, Who got Bobby Brown hooked on drugs?

By: James

James — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:02:06 +0000

Scrum:

You make some valid points just as the author of this article.

However, the bottomline is “CHOICE OF FREE WILL”. . . ..

Everyone can continue to bash Bobby & Whitney yet, some fail to see the dynamics of choices: Thoughts = feelings = reaction/action/inaction = results/no results. . .. . From experience, I’ve been Clean & Sober for over 14 years and I took myself through the self-inflicted drama of blaming the “white man, society, the military (2-time Combat Veteran), my family, ect. etc. etc. however, once I looked pass my reflection in the mirror; the true self was ugly. By the Grace of GOD I’m still alive and a majority of people I used to hang & cop with are dead.

I only blame Bobby for not following God’s word in Ephesians.

Now, I’m dealing with my mate getting herself in order because, we’ve both used drugs 2 gether in the past, arguing, fighting,going to jail, etc. etc. However, by the Grace of GOD; she’s Clean & Sober now and just signed up for Brown Mackey College. I’m so proud of her and like you Scrum; I was told to leave her, she’s a ‘ho, and so many other drama-laced tyraids from people who were on the outside looking in; I still stood by and will continue to stand by my “sweetheart” even, after being 2gether off and on for about 10 years now, we’ve already applied for a marriage license.

Yes Scrum, I’ve read both books and I also disagree with whether society, the black man or black woman makes someone the scapegoat because, EXPERIENCE is the best teacher and I’m not tooting my own horn for getting off drugs & alcohol July 23, 1998; ALL PRAISE & GLORY TO THE HEAVENLY FATHER!!!!!!

For all the haters out there; WALK A MILE IN ANOTHER PERSON’S SHOES AND SEE HOW MUCH YOUR FEET HURT WHEN YOU STOP WALKING AND START RUNNING!!!!!!

The end results are not money, fame, clothes, material stuff, and society, but; INNER PEACE AND ACCEPTANCE OF MYSELF (past, present, and future). . .
Those are the blessings that mean more to me than any job, amount of money, education, etc. etc. etc.

The ultimate blessing is serving the Veterans that made it possible for me to enlist and now work at the Bruce W. Carter VA Medical Center-Miami. Although, I’ve talked to some returning Iraq/Afghanistan veterans, they will have more benefits, job opportunities, and other aspects of getting back into society than I had when I got out right after the Gulf/Kuwait in 1991; some of these same Veterans also abused drugs & alcohol, suffer from varying degrees of PTSD just like me; they are still human beings.

Although my mom & dad divorced when I was 3; being raised by my Grandmother, Aunts, and Sisters; learning about & from black women about the black woman; I was still blessed to learn from my uncles, cousins, and other older black men who were living examples of what Ephesians really means and why this specific Bible Chapter is so vital to the black community, more so than any other ethnic groups in this country.

Thanks to all who posted on this article.

James.

By: Scrum

Scrum — Wed, 22 Feb 2012 07:54:07 +0000

@Blkwoman says: I think you missed all my points. It wasn’t about me loving my husband enough. It’s about him loving me enough and caring about me enough to even spend the time fighting me on the issue. I stopped because I realized that. He made me love me enough to stop doing something that wasn’t good for me. Has nothing to do with how much money you have. All you really need is a brain. I did ten years in the trenches with my husband. I stood by him and watched him be treated like he was a dog. I waited for him (even when everyone criticized and judged “girl are you crazy…leave that man and live your life!!)all while raising my two children alone for that period of time (and for that reason alone I should have gone back to smoking)! And I still made sure that he had a voice when it came to having a say about how I should discipline the children because I didn’t want him to feel that I had gotten to a place where he was no longer needed in our lives. I always made sure to included him and value his opinion even from afar. He cared for me…. now it was my turn to care for him. That’s what marriage is supposed to be about. It’s not about sitting back and watching your partner kill themselves be it drugs, alcohol, pills, cigarettes or whatever. It’s not about watching them go through it and assisting them on making it worse. It’s not about watching your partner destroy themselves and you do nothing! Boo hoo…Bobby was deemed “Mr. Whitney Houston!” Well then I guess my husband was deemed “Mr. Scrum”. So you see blkwoman says… there’s absolutely nothing NO ONE can tell me about why black men act the way they do. My man was in the trenches and he read and he read and he prayed and he fasted and he prayed some more. Not sitting around making excuses and blaming the slavemaster. We all know that the effects of slavery still play a role in our behaviors today… so what you gonna do about it??! Get high? Do drugs with your partner to the point of no return?? Watch her kill herself? Sweetie Bobby was nobody special when he married this ICON… did he not know he’d have to play the background even a little? Just a weak, poor excuse for a black man. She deserved much much much better!! She not only deserved, she obviously NEEDED a real, strong black man. I say that because 20 years later, I live with one. The same one I watched pull himself up and out of the trenches, a lot stronger… a lot wiser! Never once did he blame the slavemaster! (yes we’ve read the making of a slave and the Miseducation of the Negro, and the Message of the Blackman and the Fall of America (both by Elijah Mohammed) and countless other books. It’s obvious when someone has never been through something or brought themselves out of anything, so they give in to slave mentality! Yes we know about the making of a slave and the trauma from the black man being separated from his family. I lived it! But we live on ! walkamileinmyshoes!!

By: Kenya Lackey

Kenya Lackey — Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:51:59 +0000

I agreed with the whole article until the last few lines: “The attacks on Bobby Brown for all his alleged problems, in a broader sense are attacks on Black men and what some claim is an attempt to get Black women to view them as unworthy partners for successful Black women.” I definitely agree that there are attacks on our black men, but I also believe that black men are using this oppression for excuses as well. While their are public attacks on “the black man”, what is the black man actually doing in his life to make his life better. A black woman doesn’t view black men a certain way because they have been told to do so, they have a distain for black men because I black man is who left them when they were 2 years old. A black man is the one who told them he was coming to get them for the weekend and didn’t, a black man is who fathered their child but does not take care of the child. Those are just some of the reasons why black women feel that way about black men. @Mack your statement”…I expect white folks to say grimy stuff, but the sisters been going in hard against Bobby; which is really just misplaced anger at their own poor choices in the men they dated.” I think that is unfair for you to make such a broad comment about women. That’s like me saying all men are lairs most women would agree with me but I would not make such a statement. I think no one really knows what happened in their marriage. Its such a sad thing when someone succumbs to their addiction. But to try to point fingers in really irresponsible.

By: blkwoman

blkwoman — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:59:11 +0000

@Scrum, you may have loved your husband so much, you stopped smoking. Whitney was the female counterpart to MJ. As a multimillionaire, she could do drugs with or without Bobby’s intervention. Bobby when interviewed stated when he married Whitney, America deemed him Mr. Whitney Houston.

You obviously don’t understand this Black Male Castrating Country that we live in. Check out the Making of a Slave. Its still is relevant today. Whitney fits the definition of the daughter of the woman who saw her man destroyed. Read it, then post. Its obvious when people have not read it.

By: Carol Passley

Carol Passley — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 11:17:42 +0000

Greetings it is so sad about the drugs and we are being watched by the world at the moment as black people it is a shame that money could have been put to good use in this society she was a stunning performer I think about the interview she had with Oprah and felt there were so many things said about her marriage may she rest in peace and hope her daugther and x husband go forward and do somethng positive with their lives. Carol

By: Scrum

Scrum — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:23:33 +0000

This has to be men making these donkey comments about she was using before him! Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. Eph. 5:23 For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. Read it carefully fella’s. Excuse me, but Bobby is the MAN, so his role was to be just that!! He was to be the protector of his wife and child. He did no such thin!! I was a cigarette smoker BEFORE I met my husband…my MAN of 16 years. I got lectured, he smashed them up, flushed them, crumpled them, threw them out of windows… whatever. He was like this is a NO GO (and we were just dating)!!! And he was relentless, and at the end of the day… (and I consider myself to be a strong woman, but…) I had to realize he had my best interest at heart. I am his Queen!!! Question: Because I was smoking BEFORE I met him. Should that be reason enough for him to have left me alone about it? Like some said Whitney was doing it BEFORE him, so he gets a pass for sitting back and watching it go down… and then joining in even??? Are you people insane??!! A man is to play his position as a MAN, that is why God puts him as the ruler…the head! Will the REAL STRONG men please stand up!!! And If you can’t stand up, you have no business bringing wife and child into the equation!

By: blkwoman

blkwoman — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 05:34:09 +0000

Its known that Dionne Warick, possibly the mother are all music industry veterans, and cocaine and marijuana users. Newark is the place where drug use is common. Having heard about Whitney’s escapades over the decades, the girlfriend theory is on point. (I have suspicions about Clive Davis, Baby face, both producers for Houston. Alisha Keys seemed out of it, off key, loud. She’s a Clive Davis performer.

As far as the young lady is concern, Bobby her father is clean. You can look at him and see it. I would be concerned about her hanging out with the family that uses drugs. The family was in Los Angeles partying, when Whitney should have been no where near Los Angeles until the Grammies or he Clive Davis party was beginning.

They are treating Bobby badly. I agree its because he is a black man. America never got over Princess Whitney marrying Bobby. She stated herself that her drug use escalated while taping Bodyguard which had number one status in the movie and music category for three years.

As far as who enabled who, I used for a short minute and it was I who forced two, three guys into making my purchases because I had the money. I left the city where I was introduced, never to have used agIn.

By: Scotty

Scotty — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:26:15 +0000

@CDub [Without absolute proof that Clive Davis, record producers, artist managers, concert promoters, or other industry figures introduced and got Whitney hooked on drugs, it seems utterly irresponsible journalistically to just throw it out there like that.]

It seems irresponsible for you to misrepresent what was written. Asking how come no one is asking the question about Clive Davis, just like they (CNN, DailyMail and a whole slew of other corp media)are not asking, but stating that Bobby Brown got Whitney hooked on drugs. Are you going to them and asking them for their proof Bobby Brown ruined her life? Thank you.

By: Ráhsun

Ráhsun — Mon, 20 Feb 2012 00:14:47 +0000

Great comments all of u. Yo the last guy said it all word up. Leave Bobby alone word God yo

By: CDub

CDub — Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:03:38 +0000

Whole lotta speculation and insinuation in this article. Seem to just throw a buncha random opinions against a wall in an attempt to make something stick. As a black man, I don’t see this as an attack on black men, generally. I do believe many are looking for a scapegoat rather than looking at Whitney herself and that is simply just wrong. Without absolute proof that Clive Davis, record producers, artist managers, concert promoters, or other industry figures introduced and got Whitney hooked on drugs, it seems utterly irresponsible journalistically to just throw it out there like that.