Comments on: Right-wingers conspicuously silent about killer mom Rachelle Grimmer…

By: Scotty

Scotty — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:49:37 +0000

Eleanie says: “I think that goes beyond this right wing conversation that is going back and forth.”

Sure it goes beyond the left/right paradigm but at the end of the day, it is still a political issue since it involves government programs. I think it is legitimate to ask the question about why people who always have something negative to say about people needing assistance often injecting ethnic stereotypes, are not saying anything about this case. Is it because it does not fit the stereotypes they promote? I can only speculate as why their websites and blogs are devoid of this story when just a few weeks ago they were all talking the black rapper whose video was filled with negative stereotypes about black women. Since I am very interested in media propaganda, this is the angle I choose.

By: Tess

Tess — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:10:01 +0000

In my opinion,if there were no “welfare” programs in our country this mother & her children would still be alive today. She went to the wrong place for help, government does not care about citizens. The citizen is only here for the government to leech off of the productivty of the citizens. She should have turned to local churches & food banks for help.

By: Evanne

Evanne — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:30:18 +0000

@Independent Thought:
“Of course there was also poverty but people were less likely to have children, that cost money and need food, as a result.”

Uh, no. Birth rates in the US are at an all time low since they have been recorded.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/18/u-s-birth-rates-hit-record-lows-is-it-the-economy/

The difference between pre-“entitlement state” and after is that before you were not “entitled” to survive in health and human dignity if you or the adults on whom you financially depended made mistakes, budgeted poorly, were defrauded or otherwise stolen from, unexpectedly lost their job or income source, got injured or sick, one among the family unit got injured or sick, or any number of other accidental and random misfortunes.

No “entitlements” means that those kids were as good as dead before. The didn’t deserve food because their mother couldn’t provide for them. They aren’t entitled to anything.

Some other ‘entitlements’ to come out of the same time period as the others you oppose: Weekends, Overtime pay, Vacation- paid or otherwise, Workplace safety standards aka OSHA, Publicly-maintained roads and Child-labor laws. (This list is far from comprehensive.)

In addition, if I pay Social Security taxes my entire life, how is it an ‘entitlement’? You don’t need to explain the system to me, explain to me the hole in your logic large enough to drive a truck through. We pay for these programs. They are not entitlements, they are investments. Paying for them is part of being a productive member of society.

By: Eleanie

Eleanie — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:29:49 +0000

We don’t know why she killed herself and her children. I think that goes beyond this right wing conversation that is going back and forth. I think it goes beyond black and white. Obviously there were some serious mental issues here. I wonder how long she reached out for help and to whom. All I know is that three lives were taken and two of them were young, innocent children.

Also the system is very messed up. Yes there are hundreds of people black, white, naturally born citizens and immigrants that have a strong sense of entitlement. You also have people on the welfare rolls and food stamps that have worked the majority of their lives who are now in a bad place because of the econonmy. I know this from working in social services and the non-profit sector for the past 15 years.

It’s sad.

By: Evanne

Evanne — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:08:57 +0000

I think it is because she is white and because it involves guns. Children getting shot can lead to people wanting tougher gun control laws. I think race is as much a factor as that is.

Thank you for this piece!

By: Scotty

Scotty — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:27:25 +0000

There are reports coming out that the family is saying she was mentally ill. My question then is why did the family not do more to help her and those children? They were sleeping in a camper. Too late for the family to come forward now.

By: natalie

natalie — Mon, 12 Dec 2011 02:46:49 +0000

“maam your benefits are denied”
ok, ill just kill my kids?

You have got to be kidding me!

By: Tusk

Tusk — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:51:30 +0000

The crazy beotch should have sold the gun for food, brother.

By: Scotty

Scotty — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:23:43 +0000

natalie says: “Not sure what this has to do with the right wing…”

It has to do with the right wing media’s portrayal of blacks and welfare. – Scotty

natalie says: “Addtionally, I take issue with the assertiin that she killed her children “because” she was denied benefits.”

You can take issue all you like but that is the fact of the matter. Tell us then why you think she killed her children and herself in a welfare office that denied her foodstamps. – Scotty

By: Independent Thought

Independent Thought — Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:08:43 +0000

People used to come to the US for opportunity BEFORE there was a welfare state. They didn’t come because of the welfare and it needed not to exist for there to be prosperity. Of course there was also poverty but people were less likely to have children, that cost money and need food, as a result.

Instead today there are people all over the US accustomed to handouts, waiting for someone to take care of them.

Maybe they aren’t all driving around in Cadillacs but they certainly aren’t being cautious about their lifestyle while the system supports them.

Here is one example of a woman in FL with 15 kids. YES 15 KIDS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj7y-_aIbNw