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		By: Georgia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Ragsdale - WHO could argue that DURING the days of slavery, Blacks were treated inhumanely? Today, there would be only a handful of complete idiots who would disagree. My point being, just HOW LONG does one get to blame societial ills on slavery? If we use your logic of Black slavery lasting 200 +/- years, does that mean that Blacks only have 50 or so more years to use that argument? Because, by then, slavery will have been abolished for 200 +/- years. 
Do we blame it on racism that still exists today? If we use that measuring stick, I, as a &quot;White&quot; with apparent Black traits, can claim I am a victim. My husband is a &quot;white-looking&quot; man of Hispanic heritage with a Hispanic sounding last name. He has 2 master&#039;s degrees and a PhD. However, on job applications and the like, he is certain to check the Hispanic box under &quot;race&quot; to even be considered for jobs and promotions. Yes, he uses affirmative action to his advantage. (Personally, I dont agree - but I like to eat!) FACT: Racism exists within ALL races. I can&#039;t understand how ANY group of people can claim to want equality - across the board, IN ALL forms - but aren&#039;t willing to give up whatever advantage sets them apart. ie: government assistance, labels, affirmative action, special interest groups, etc.

How do you explain the recent period of time when the strong, 2 parent Black family was the social norm within the Black community? (Prior to the 60&#039;s) What happened? 

Having both Black heritage and Indian heritage, I can easily compare the breakdown of the Black society, particularily in urban areas, to the breakdown of the Indian society living on reservations. The common denominator being government dependancy. In both cases, the government, the people, whomever, in history, have abused these 2 groups and now are &quot;apologizing&quot; in the form of handouts and freebies. Where/what are the incentives to change things? Before long, it becomes &quot;the norm&quot;. (Yes,an overly simplistic view and yes, more than just Blacks and Indians are affected.)

I realize the argument is extremely complex and could never be covered in a few posts to a blog forum and I appreciate the time you&#039;ve taken to reply. However, back to the main point of the entire blog post: &quot;We Need To Go From An Entitlement Society To An Empowerment Society&quot; - Herman Cain]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Ragsdale &#8211; WHO could argue that DURING the days of slavery, Blacks were treated inhumanely? Today, there would be only a handful of complete idiots who would disagree. My point being, just HOW LONG does one get to blame societial ills on slavery? If we use your logic of Black slavery lasting 200 +/- years, does that mean that Blacks only have 50 or so more years to use that argument? Because, by then, slavery will have been abolished for 200 +/- years.<br />
Do we blame it on racism that still exists today? If we use that measuring stick, I, as a &#8220;White&#8221; with apparent Black traits, can claim I am a victim. My husband is a &#8220;white-looking&#8221; man of Hispanic heritage with a Hispanic sounding last name. He has 2 master&#8217;s degrees and a PhD. However, on job applications and the like, he is certain to check the Hispanic box under &#8220;race&#8221; to even be considered for jobs and promotions. Yes, he uses affirmative action to his advantage. (Personally, I dont agree &#8211; but I like to eat!) FACT: Racism exists within ALL races. I can&#8217;t understand how ANY group of people can claim to want equality &#8211; across the board, IN ALL forms &#8211; but aren&#8217;t willing to give up whatever advantage sets them apart. ie: government assistance, labels, affirmative action, special interest groups, etc.</p>
<p>How do you explain the recent period of time when the strong, 2 parent Black family was the social norm within the Black community? (Prior to the 60&#8217;s) What happened? </p>
<p>Having both Black heritage and Indian heritage, I can easily compare the breakdown of the Black society, particularily in urban areas, to the breakdown of the Indian society living on reservations. The common denominator being government dependancy. In both cases, the government, the people, whomever, in history, have abused these 2 groups and now are &#8220;apologizing&#8221; in the form of handouts and freebies. Where/what are the incentives to change things? Before long, it becomes &#8220;the norm&#8221;. (Yes,an overly simplistic view and yes, more than just Blacks and Indians are affected.)</p>
<p>I realize the argument is extremely complex and could never be covered in a few posts to a blog forum and I appreciate the time you&#8217;ve taken to reply. However, back to the main point of the entire blog post: &#8220;We Need To Go From An Entitlement Society To An Empowerment Society&#8221; &#8211; Herman Cain</p>
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		By: Errick Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I just returned to the U.S. after 15 years living and working in Ghana, West Africa.  Most continental Africans would likely agree with Mr. Cain concerning his being an American.  But that&#039;s about as far as it goes.  There they would also readily agree that his ethnicity or ancestral root is clearly African although not very precise as say, Ewe, Fanti, or Ashanti.  Nevertheless, try as he may, he can never get away from his African root.  He need only look in the mirror to be reminded.

That being said, I can understand Mr. Cain wanting to be viewed as simply an American.  It has broader political appeal and it&#039;s less complicated. Personally, I&#039;m more bothered by some of his other statements that suggest a level of intolerance that would be very dangerous for this country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just returned to the U.S. after 15 years living and working in Ghana, West Africa.  Most continental Africans would likely agree with Mr. Cain concerning his being an American.  But that&#8217;s about as far as it goes.  There they would also readily agree that his ethnicity or ancestral root is clearly African although not very precise as say, Ewe, Fanti, or Ashanti.  Nevertheless, try as he may, he can never get away from his African root.  He need only look in the mirror to be reminded.</p>
<p>That being said, I can understand Mr. Cain wanting to be viewed as simply an American.  It has broader political appeal and it&#8217;s less complicated. Personally, I&#8217;m more bothered by some of his other statements that suggest a level of intolerance that would be very dangerous for this country.</p>
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		By: Jonathan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a white conservative and I support Herman Cain&#039;s presidential bid. This article, in my opinion, twists Mr. Cain&#039;s words. Herman never said he doesn&#039;t want to BE and African American, as the title insinuates; but rather he said he prefers not to BE CALLED African American because he feels no connection to the African peoples and culture. History is important, yes, because it has brought us to where we are, but it doesn&#039;t make us who we are. My own father is an immigrant from the Netherlands. I don&#039;t go around calling myself a Dutch American. I&#039;m simply American... or a white American, if you feel the need to distinguish ethnicity.

Also, I disagree with the following comment you made... &quot;White Supremacy 101 tells us that we can be successful in spite of being black, rather than finding success because we are black.&quot;
Now I&#039;ve lived in South Carolina for the past seven years of my life, and I&#039;ve come in contact with a few racist white people who would echo the first part of that statement (&quot;You can be successful in spite of being black.&quot;), and I&#039;ve come in contact with a multitude of black people who would cling to the last part of that statement (&quot;You can be successful because you&#039;re black.&quot;)

What Mr. Cain is trying to say is that neither of those viewpoints is correct. He&#039;s saying, &quot;You can be successful because you&#039;re an American.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a white conservative and I support Herman Cain&#8217;s presidential bid. This article, in my opinion, twists Mr. Cain&#8217;s words. Herman never said he doesn&#8217;t want to BE and African American, as the title insinuates; but rather he said he prefers not to BE CALLED African American because he feels no connection to the African peoples and culture. History is important, yes, because it has brought us to where we are, but it doesn&#8217;t make us who we are. My own father is an immigrant from the Netherlands. I don&#8217;t go around calling myself a Dutch American. I&#8217;m simply American&#8230; or a white American, if you feel the need to distinguish ethnicity.</p>
<p>Also, I disagree with the following comment you made&#8230; &#8220;White Supremacy 101 tells us that we can be successful in spite of being black, rather than finding success because we are black.&#8221;<br />
Now I&#8217;ve lived in South Carolina for the past seven years of my life, and I&#8217;ve come in contact with a few racist white people who would echo the first part of that statement (&#8220;You can be successful in spite of being black.&#8221;), and I&#8217;ve come in contact with a multitude of black people who would cling to the last part of that statement (&#8220;You can be successful because you&#8217;re black.&#8221;)</p>
<p>What Mr. Cain is trying to say is that neither of those viewpoints is correct. He&#8217;s saying, &#8220;You can be successful because you&#8217;re an American.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Georgia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[**Correction - In my above post, I should have said that there are no records of my great grandmother&#039;s ancestors - NOT decendants. In my defense, it was early and before coffee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>**Correction &#8211; In my above post, I should have said that there are no records of my great grandmother&#8217;s ancestors &#8211; NOT decendants. In my defense, it was early and before coffee.</p>
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		By: A Ragsdale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Ragsdale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just for you Georgia -

Please Read 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/ensuringinequality.htm

Ensuring Inequality 
The Structural Transformation of the African-American Family 
By Donna L. Franklin 

DuBois also noted that slavery had a crippling effect on the slave father, who lacked the authority to govern or protect his family. In DuBois&#039;s view, &quot;his wife could be made his master&#039;s concubine, his daughter could be outraged, his son whipped, or he himself sold away without being able to protest or lift a preventing finger.&quot; He asserted that the position of the mother was also undermined. Whether field hand or house servant, she could spend little or no time in her own home, so &quot;her children had little care or attention.&quot; According to DuBois, she was &quot;often the concubine of the master or his sons,&quot; and she could be separated from her family at any time by the &quot;master&#039;s command or by his death or debts.&quot; 

Remember that slavery lasted for over 200 years and affected many generations. The head of the family was made to feel less than, a man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for you Georgia &#8211;</p>
<p>Please Read<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/ensuringinequality.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/ensuringinequality.htm</a></p>
<p>Ensuring Inequality<br />
The Structural Transformation of the African-American Family<br />
By Donna L. Franklin </p>
<p>DuBois also noted that slavery had a crippling effect on the slave father, who lacked the authority to govern or protect his family. In DuBois&#8217;s view, &#8220;his wife could be made his master&#8217;s concubine, his daughter could be outraged, his son whipped, or he himself sold away without being able to protest or lift a preventing finger.&#8221; He asserted that the position of the mother was also undermined. Whether field hand or house servant, she could spend little or no time in her own home, so &#8220;her children had little care or attention.&#8221; According to DuBois, she was &#8220;often the concubine of the master or his sons,&#8221; and she could be separated from her family at any time by the &#8220;master&#8217;s command or by his death or debts.&#8221; </p>
<p>Remember that slavery lasted for over 200 years and affected many generations. The head of the family was made to feel less than, a man.</p>
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		By: Incognegro		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is problem with the racialism (I won&#039;t say racism) expressed by Dr. Boyce Watkins. Rather than being your own man or your own woman, you are connecting your self worth with the accomplishments of other black Africans, instead of developing yourself and actually contributing to the society you live in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is problem with the racialism (I won&#8217;t say racism) expressed by Dr. Boyce Watkins. Rather than being your own man or your own woman, you are connecting your self worth with the accomplishments of other black Africans, instead of developing yourself and actually contributing to the society you live in.</p>
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		By: Marcus T.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcus T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;For some reason, Cain seems to think that by connecting himself with those who enslaved his forefathers, he is somehow attached to the heritage of his blue eyed brothers and sisters.&quot;

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I&#039;m sorry but it is not any white persons fault that their ancestors enslaved us, for all we know their ancestors could have been abolitionists or simple migrants who had nothing to do with slavery. Even if their ancestors did own slaves, it&#039;s not their fault just as it is not our fault that our ancestors were sold into slavery. 

I don&#039;t agree with Mr. Cain on any issues, I am a die hard democrat living in Jessie Juniors district but making bigoted comments about white people only hurts our own cause for continued freedom and equality.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For some reason, Cain seems to think that by connecting himself with those who enslaved his forefathers, he is somehow attached to the heritage of his blue eyed brothers and sisters.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
I&#8217;m sorry but it is not any white persons fault that their ancestors enslaved us, for all we know their ancestors could have been abolitionists or simple migrants who had nothing to do with slavery. Even if their ancestors did own slaves, it&#8217;s not their fault just as it is not our fault that our ancestors were sold into slavery. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Mr. Cain on any issues, I am a die hard democrat living in Jessie Juniors district but making bigoted comments about white people only hurts our own cause for continued freedom and equality.</p>
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		By: Georgia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Georgia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 12:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Ragsdale - Having a Black great grandmother and a mother who is a genealogist, I can somewhat understand how you feel about not knowing where you came from. (Let me reiterate &quot;somewhat&quot; because there are many lines that have been traced back to Europe. So,there a feeling of satisfaction in that.) Having said that, I do know A LOT about my history and I know that my family came from dirt poor sharecropping roots. (My ancestors fought in the Civil war because they were duped by claims that they would be able to &quot;see the country.. leave the farm&quot;. They had NO concept of slavery!) Another great grandmother was 100% Cherokee Indian - Again, there are no records of her descendants. If I used your logic, I could claim twice the victimology having decended from a slave AND a Cherokee - whose people were also treated horribly!

Your post describes EXACTLY what Herman Cain refuses to do/be. He refuses to be a victim. He refuses to let what others did to his ancestors define who is today. 

On another note, I would love if you took a moment to explain exactly how slavery has broken down the American Black family. There was a time in not so distant American history that the Black family was envied for it&#039;s strength and resolve. I think it would serve you well to be objective and look at the liberal governmental policies that catered to the &quot;victim&quot; mentality that is the TRUE cause of the Black family breakdown. 

P.S. &quot;Uncle Tom&quot; was a martyr - not a sell out. By using this analogy, you are playing exactly into the hands of the racist Whites who mocked the character of Uncle Tom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Ragsdale &#8211; Having a Black great grandmother and a mother who is a genealogist, I can somewhat understand how you feel about not knowing where you came from. (Let me reiterate &#8220;somewhat&#8221; because there are many lines that have been traced back to Europe. So,there a feeling of satisfaction in that.) Having said that, I do know A LOT about my history and I know that my family came from dirt poor sharecropping roots. (My ancestors fought in the Civil war because they were duped by claims that they would be able to &#8220;see the country.. leave the farm&#8221;. They had NO concept of slavery!) Another great grandmother was 100% Cherokee Indian &#8211; Again, there are no records of her descendants. If I used your logic, I could claim twice the victimology having decended from a slave AND a Cherokee &#8211; whose people were also treated horribly!</p>
<p>Your post describes EXACTLY what Herman Cain refuses to do/be. He refuses to be a victim. He refuses to let what others did to his ancestors define who is today. </p>
<p>On another note, I would love if you took a moment to explain exactly how slavery has broken down the American Black family. There was a time in not so distant American history that the Black family was envied for it&#8217;s strength and resolve. I think it would serve you well to be objective and look at the liberal governmental policies that catered to the &#8220;victim&#8221; mentality that is the TRUE cause of the Black family breakdown. </p>
<p>P.S. &#8220;Uncle Tom&#8221; was a martyr &#8211; not a sell out. By using this analogy, you are playing exactly into the hands of the racist Whites who mocked the character of Uncle Tom.</p>
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		By: Nicholas		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 01:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nationality is the quality of belonging to a particular nation. Africa is not a nation as America is not a nation. Herman has the right to distant himself from his African heritage, it&#039;s not illegal. Herman is not the first black man to disown his people,think Clearance Thomas as the most prominent and recent black man to disown his people in order to assimilate with the ruleing class. He is being used. NO PRIDE NO SHAME!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nationality is the quality of belonging to a particular nation. Africa is not a nation as America is not a nation. Herman has the right to distant himself from his African heritage, it&#8217;s not illegal. Herman is not the first black man to disown his people,think Clearance Thomas as the most prominent and recent black man to disown his people in order to assimilate with the ruleing class. He is being used. NO PRIDE NO SHAME!</p>
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		By: A Ragsdale		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are still issues that arise from the history of this country.  Even though current citizens of this country do not own slaves, does not mean that they did not benefit from the sweat of slaves.  To act as if this cruel act of violence does not affect the current state of the black population is absurd. The breakdown of the Black family is the saddest thing that slavery has done.  The battle of complexion, cause &quot;White is Right&quot; is an ongoing battle.  Even though you may not feel responsible for the cultural difference between blacks and whites, does not mean that we are indifferent or that it does not exist. 

Just as there were black slave owners, today there are still those who do not mind the &quot;Uncle Tom&quot; behaviour. America has not made up for the generations of kidnapping and toture inflicted on my ancestors. The worst thing I have felt over slavery is the fact that I don&#039;t know where I came from.  Completing a family tree is nearly impossible. The current state of Black Youth is not a separate issue. It is because of the breakdown of the Black Family.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still issues that arise from the history of this country.  Even though current citizens of this country do not own slaves, does not mean that they did not benefit from the sweat of slaves.  To act as if this cruel act of violence does not affect the current state of the black population is absurd. The breakdown of the Black family is the saddest thing that slavery has done.  The battle of complexion, cause &#8220;White is Right&#8221; is an ongoing battle.  Even though you may not feel responsible for the cultural difference between blacks and whites, does not mean that we are indifferent or that it does not exist. </p>
<p>Just as there were black slave owners, today there are still those who do not mind the &#8220;Uncle Tom&#8221; behaviour. America has not made up for the generations of kidnapping and toture inflicted on my ancestors. The worst thing I have felt over slavery is the fact that I don&#8217;t know where I came from.  Completing a family tree is nearly impossible. The current state of Black Youth is not a separate issue. It is because of the breakdown of the Black Family.</p>
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