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		By: Frank Love		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We are a society comprised of many easily-offended people. For example, consider the recent Psychology Today article in which journalist Satoshi Kanazawa reported on research gathered by Add Health. In it, he listed the resulting statistics and offered a possible answer to the question this study introduces – “Why Are Black Women Rated Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women, But Black Men Are Rated Better Looking Than Other Men?”.  Admittedly, the controversy surrounding this article pretty much passed me by. I had heard about the research, but the subject matter didn’t interest me enough to digest it … until a few days ago when I heard it discussed on the talk show, Insight, by the host, a guest and a bunch of outraged callers. The majority of the callers seemed to be black women. But black women are definitely not the only group of people to get offended over something that was meant to be informative. If you think about it for a minute, you’ll come up with plenty of examples of other races, genders, religious groups, etc, getting worked up over news stories that painted them in a negative light. 

The article appeared nearly a month ago, and Kanazawa has since been fired, seemingly because of the backlash surrounding it. However, I respect and admire his willingness to present this controversial information in a logical, research-based, objective way. I am hardly saying that I agree with his conclusions, but if you disagree, attack the research, not him.

The same goes for relationships. How often have your partners (past and current) civilly and respectfully made statements about you that felt uncomplimentary? And how often have you reacted by going off on them? Consider this: When we change the dynamic of the conversation from logical and objective to emotional, we usually do so because:

1) It is a topic about which we are overly-sensitive (like religion, politics, or race, as in the case of Kanazawa’s article), or

2) There is some truth to the information, and we are uncomfortable addressing it.

So, instead of pondering the merits and weaknesses of the statements, we get offended and start an argument – making the discussion about hurt feelings rather than the real issue. But if we keep the argument on the level at which it was presented, and discuss what was said in a rational and substantive way, we participate in an exchange that gets everyone a lot further than lunging into a fight. And even if we don’t ultimately accept what our partners are saying to be true, the ability to have logical conversations will help them want to be open and honest with us over time.

In Stephen Covey’s highly-acclaimed book, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, he urges us to always “seek first to understand.” Before you get offended or react, hear your partner out – and make sure that you understand both the point as well as the spirit in which it was intended. Though the information might feel insulting, consider that fact that your partner’s intention might be to be helpful – to inform you, or to help you grow, be happier, or better navigate life and relationships. This possibility is reason enough to allow for a give-and-take discussion. And even if the intention is mean-spirited, and your mate is speaking out of frustration, anger or hurt, there is still a learning opportunity there. For example, you may become more aware of your mate’s perceptions, biases or misconceptions. If you can avoid the urge to react emotionally, you may effectively dispel the aforementioned, and ultimately grow closer with your partner. When this happens, everyone wins.

Appreciating your mate’s willingness to talk to you and present potentially sensitive information will make you a more Powerful Person in a Partnership.

Keep Rising,

Frank Love

www.FrankLove.com]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a society comprised of many easily-offended people. For example, consider the recent Psychology Today article in which journalist Satoshi Kanazawa reported on research gathered by Add Health. In it, he listed the resulting statistics and offered a possible answer to the question this study introduces – “Why Are Black Women Rated Less Physically Attractive Than Other Women, But Black Men Are Rated Better Looking Than Other Men?”.  Admittedly, the controversy surrounding this article pretty much passed me by. I had heard about the research, but the subject matter didn’t interest me enough to digest it … until a few days ago when I heard it discussed on the talk show, Insight, by the host, a guest and a bunch of outraged callers. The majority of the callers seemed to be black women. But black women are definitely not the only group of people to get offended over something that was meant to be informative. If you think about it for a minute, you’ll come up with plenty of examples of other races, genders, religious groups, etc, getting worked up over news stories that painted them in a negative light. </p>
<p>The article appeared nearly a month ago, and Kanazawa has since been fired, seemingly because of the backlash surrounding it. However, I respect and admire his willingness to present this controversial information in a logical, research-based, objective way. I am hardly saying that I agree with his conclusions, but if you disagree, attack the research, not him.</p>
<p>The same goes for relationships. How often have your partners (past and current) civilly and respectfully made statements about you that felt uncomplimentary? And how often have you reacted by going off on them? Consider this: When we change the dynamic of the conversation from logical and objective to emotional, we usually do so because:</p>
<p>1) It is a topic about which we are overly-sensitive (like religion, politics, or race, as in the case of Kanazawa’s article), or</p>
<p>2) There is some truth to the information, and we are uncomfortable addressing it.</p>
<p>So, instead of pondering the merits and weaknesses of the statements, we get offended and start an argument – making the discussion about hurt feelings rather than the real issue. But if we keep the argument on the level at which it was presented, and discuss what was said in a rational and substantive way, we participate in an exchange that gets everyone a lot further than lunging into a fight. And even if we don’t ultimately accept what our partners are saying to be true, the ability to have logical conversations will help them want to be open and honest with us over time.</p>
<p>In Stephen Covey’s highly-acclaimed book, The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, he urges us to always “seek first to understand.” Before you get offended or react, hear your partner out – and make sure that you understand both the point as well as the spirit in which it was intended. Though the information might feel insulting, consider that fact that your partner’s intention might be to be helpful – to inform you, or to help you grow, be happier, or better navigate life and relationships. This possibility is reason enough to allow for a give-and-take discussion. And even if the intention is mean-spirited, and your mate is speaking out of frustration, anger or hurt, there is still a learning opportunity there. For example, you may become more aware of your mate’s perceptions, biases or misconceptions. If you can avoid the urge to react emotionally, you may effectively dispel the aforementioned, and ultimately grow closer with your partner. When this happens, everyone wins.</p>
<p>Appreciating your mate’s willingness to talk to you and present potentially sensitive information will make you a more Powerful Person in a Partnership.</p>
<p>Keep Rising,</p>
<p>Frank Love</p>
<p><a href="http://www.FrankLove.com" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.FrankLove.com</a></p>
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		By: Dwight		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2011 00:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a Black man.  I have a black mother, sister and wife. I must speak on this awful behavior of the black man. Why are you not appalled by this racist study by a racist magazine.  How in gods name can you call yourself a man and be proud of your heritage and stay silent.  I have read too many negative comments regarding our women from Black men.  You never should degrade your woman to cover up your own insecurities, your bad characteristic behavior and lack of responsible manhood.  

Date or marry who ever you choose but Respect your counterpart. I have watch you jump on our President&#039;s Band wagon.  We have a black President so you feel you can ride off of his merits; you can stop that right now this brother respects his black wife-The First Lady and his black daughters.  You are a disgrace to most black men that respect our black ladies and know the power of a wonderful black woman. Men with confidence are not afraid of a woman that has an opinion. We do not need a woman to put in a box and shape her into a fool.  That is considered Abuse.
GROW UP MAN UP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Black man.  I have a black mother, sister and wife. I must speak on this awful behavior of the black man. Why are you not appalled by this racist study by a racist magazine.  How in gods name can you call yourself a man and be proud of your heritage and stay silent.  I have read too many negative comments regarding our women from Black men.  You never should degrade your woman to cover up your own insecurities, your bad characteristic behavior and lack of responsible manhood.  </p>
<p>Date or marry who ever you choose but Respect your counterpart. I have watch you jump on our President&#8217;s Band wagon.  We have a black President so you feel you can ride off of his merits; you can stop that right now this brother respects his black wife-The First Lady and his black daughters.  You are a disgrace to most black men that respect our black ladies and know the power of a wonderful black woman. Men with confidence are not afraid of a woman that has an opinion. We do not need a woman to put in a box and shape her into a fool.  That is considered Abuse.<br />
GROW UP MAN UP.</p>
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		By: DGH		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2011/05/28/dr-boyce-watkins-satoshi-kanazawa-psychology-today-apologizes-for-calling-black-women-ugly-satoshi-kanazawa-sorry-but-the-apology-is-not-accepted/comment-page-1/#comment-4250</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PSEUDOSCIENCE is alive and well.  Often imitated, but never duplicated...the wellspring of black beauty is -- at a minimum -- absolute, unapologetic, and incomparable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PSEUDOSCIENCE is alive and well.  Often imitated, but never duplicated&#8230;the wellspring of black beauty is &#8212; at a minimum &#8212; absolute, unapologetic, and incomparable.</p>
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		By: Saleh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 09:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientific what? Scientific research could be manipulated for hidden agenda and for popularity. I am an African but I strongly believe in YAShuaib’s comment on his blog http://yashuaib.net/blog/2002/03/miss-world-between-mariette-and-darego/ when a black African won Miss World in 2002. He said “the African femininity, without exaggeration, enables one to mirror oneself from unblemished and fleshy cheeks. They are women who are healthy and full of life, exhibiting in enticing physiques. An African must also be dark, thick and robust, devoid of a skinny, bony and tiny body frame. Artificial makeup and expensive attires are not what make the natural beauty.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientific what? Scientific research could be manipulated for hidden agenda and for popularity. I am an African but I strongly believe in YAShuaib’s comment on his blog <a href="http://yashuaib.net/blog/2002/03/miss-world-between-mariette-and-darego/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://yashuaib.net/blog/2002/03/miss-world-between-mariette-and-darego/</a> when a black African won Miss World in 2002. He said “the African femininity, without exaggeration, enables one to mirror oneself from unblemished and fleshy cheeks. They are women who are healthy and full of life, exhibiting in enticing physiques. An African must also be dark, thick and robust, devoid of a skinny, bony and tiny body frame. Artificial makeup and expensive attires are not what make the natural beauty.&#8221;</p>
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		By: good idea		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 07:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As patently racist and ridiculously poorly researched Kanzawa&#039;s article was, to refuse to forgive is emotionally unhealthy. 
Forgiving is far more about the forgiver healing than the transgressor being forgiven. Not forgiving will not bother Kanzawa, but will continue to eat the person (who refuses to forgive) up inside.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As patently racist and ridiculously poorly researched Kanzawa&#8217;s article was, to refuse to forgive is emotionally unhealthy.<br />
Forgiving is far more about the forgiver healing than the transgressor being forgiven. Not forgiving will not bother Kanzawa, but will continue to eat the person (who refuses to forgive) up inside.</p>
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		By: rhonda		</title>
		<link>https://thyblackman.com/2011/05/28/dr-boyce-watkins-satoshi-kanazawa-psychology-today-apologizes-for-calling-black-women-ugly-satoshi-kanazawa-sorry-but-the-apology-is-not-accepted/comment-page-1/#comment-4182</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 00:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[whether if an apology was to be accepted or not, we know how we can get especially in public.....beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder and i&#039;ve notice when we get overly above and beyond ourselves where we just (be human) have too be the loudest and raunchest.....that article woke up and stired quite an emotion didn&#039;t it?....well that&#039;s too damn bad, i thank him using any means and justification necessary where we must and should get our program together and in order, again dear sir, i salute and thank you for that wake-up......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whether if an apology was to be accepted or not, we know how we can get especially in public&#8230;..beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder and i&#8217;ve notice when we get overly above and beyond ourselves where we just (be human) have too be the loudest and raunchest&#8230;..that article woke up and stired quite an emotion didn&#8217;t it?&#8230;.well that&#8217;s too damn bad, i thank him using any means and justification necessary where we must and should get our program together and in order, again dear sir, i salute and thank you for that wake-up&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Iola		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 00:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you Dr Boyce Watkins for your contribution. You are right in your stance to publicly reject the &#039;apology&#039;. I am, however, inclined to agree with Pee&#039;s comments above in saying that we, as Africans, really need to stop falling into these same old traps. As with the recent Beyonce black-faced saga in a French fashion magazine, and before that, the special all black edition of Vogue (a few years back), such overtly racist and contraversial publications only act to cause controversy and attract publicity. We all know, &#039;scientic&#039; or not, that these outrageous news are ludicrous and pathetic. 

Who in the end benefits? Not us? Will they do it again (ridicule our existence in the name of beauty, intelligence or any other manner to evoke mass public outcry)? Of course they will. As a proud black British woman of African decent and Caribbean heritage, I reject such attention-seekers, in fact this is the first comment I&#039;ve made, refusing to inject any time or energy into what can only be deemed as laughable. 

I compare such research as trash and treat it the same. We all need to wake up and stop biting on these fools backsides as it&#039;s only crap we&#039;ll continue to hear, followed by patronising so-called apologies. Please, let&#039;s focus on the many outstanding important issues facing our community at large, and stop whining about some nerd who has run out of topics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr Boyce Watkins for your contribution. You are right in your stance to publicly reject the &#8216;apology&#8217;. I am, however, inclined to agree with Pee&#8217;s comments above in saying that we, as Africans, really need to stop falling into these same old traps. As with the recent Beyonce black-faced saga in a French fashion magazine, and before that, the special all black edition of Vogue (a few years back), such overtly racist and contraversial publications only act to cause controversy and attract publicity. We all know, &#8216;scientic&#8217; or not, that these outrageous news are ludicrous and pathetic. </p>
<p>Who in the end benefits? Not us? Will they do it again (ridicule our existence in the name of beauty, intelligence or any other manner to evoke mass public outcry)? Of course they will. As a proud black British woman of African decent and Caribbean heritage, I reject such attention-seekers, in fact this is the first comment I&#8217;ve made, refusing to inject any time or energy into what can only be deemed as laughable. </p>
<p>I compare such research as trash and treat it the same. We all need to wake up and stop biting on these fools backsides as it&#8217;s only crap we&#8217;ll continue to hear, followed by patronising so-called apologies. Please, let&#8217;s focus on the many outstanding important issues facing our community at large, and stop whining about some nerd who has run out of topics.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 23:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[However I do have to say that all of this isn&#039;t necessary. I should have edited my post before but it does bring about a valid point: why believe and publish a report that claims to be objective on something so subjective as beauty? I also don&#039;t believe that Asian men are less attractive but the study concluded this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However I do have to say that all of this isn&#8217;t necessary. I should have edited my post before but it does bring about a valid point: why believe and publish a report that claims to be objective on something so subjective as beauty? I also don&#8217;t believe that Asian men are less attractive but the study concluded this.</p>
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		By: Dee Rountree		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 22:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if Dr. Kanazawa read any of the scientific reports stating that Asian men are the least attractive men. If he feels that the report about black women needed to be published then turnabout is fair play. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the same sort of study that he conducted prove that Asian men are about as attractive as black women from an evolutionary standpoint.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Dr. Kanazawa read any of the scientific reports stating that Asian men are the least attractive men. If he feels that the report about black women needed to be published then turnabout is fair play. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the same sort of study that he conducted prove that Asian men are about as attractive as black women from an evolutionary standpoint.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2011 15:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not a psychologist, but I am a researcher. Most research starts with an hypothesis, and then data is gathered to prove or disprove the hypothesis. 

So the Dr. Kanazawa began with what hypothesis? How did he collect the data? From whom did he collect the data?  What data was collected?

Given the fact that African-American women run the gamut in physical appearance from skin tone to body shape to hair texture to lip size to hip to waist ratio, what &quot;features&quot; were considered to draw his conclusions? 

Beyond that if we really want to look at attractive appearance or what is deemed &quot;beauty&quot;...take a look at the top plastic surgery requests and then match them what is deemed innate to a certain race.

Let me step out of academia into the real world for a moment and say this. People will lie to you if you let them.  Ever wonder why so many studies are completed to bash black women? There has to be a reason.  And if you conclude that was not the purpose of this &quot;study&quot; you are a bigger fool than I could ever imagine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a psychologist, but I am a researcher. Most research starts with an hypothesis, and then data is gathered to prove or disprove the hypothesis. </p>
<p>So the Dr. Kanazawa began with what hypothesis? How did he collect the data? From whom did he collect the data?  What data was collected?</p>
<p>Given the fact that African-American women run the gamut in physical appearance from skin tone to body shape to hair texture to lip size to hip to waist ratio, what &#8220;features&#8221; were considered to draw his conclusions? </p>
<p>Beyond that if we really want to look at attractive appearance or what is deemed &#8220;beauty&#8221;&#8230;take a look at the top plastic surgery requests and then match them what is deemed innate to a certain race.</p>
<p>Let me step out of academia into the real world for a moment and say this. People will lie to you if you let them.  Ever wonder why so many studies are completed to bash black women? There has to be a reason.  And if you conclude that was not the purpose of this &#8220;study&#8221; you are a bigger fool than I could ever imagine.</p>
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