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Rev. Marvin Winans: Don’t Just Preach Us A Sermon, Live Us One.

October 31, 2013 by  
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(ThyBlackMan.com) When I first heard that Rev. Marvin Winans (of the gospel-singing Winans klan) refused to receive and Bless a child before his congregation because the child was born out of wedlock, I thought it was just another one of those ridiculous urban legends, because no Black minister could be that pompously out of touch with reality (I specified “Black minister” because Pat Robertson is White, and I’m not surprised at anything he does), and certainly no one with as high a public profile as Marvin Winans could possibly be that big a fool.
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But it turns out that it’s not just a rumor. During an interview with My Foxdetroit.com, Ms. Charity Grace indicated that she and her son, Joshua, recently began attending Perfecting Church, which is presided over by Rev. Marvin Winans. Recently the churched announced that it was having a special service dedicated to blessing children two years old and under. Upon hearing the announcement Ms. Grace became quite excited over the prospect of having her son blessed by the church. In that regard she said, “I want to instill values and morals in my son based upon the word of God.”
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But when she contacted the church to make arrangements to have her son participate in the service, she was told that “Pastor Winans’ policy is that he is not to bless children of unwed mothers in front of the congregation.” Ms. Grace said, “I’ve never felt so degraded and disrespected in my life.” She goes on to say, “The church is the last place you go and be judged and denied.”rev-marvin-winans
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And she’s absolutely right. How can Pastor Winans profess to be teaching his congregation to follow “the word of God” when he’s ignoring it, or is ignorant of it himself? Matthew 7:1-5 of the King James version of the Holy Bible is very emphatic in saying the following:
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Matthew 7:1-5
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“(1)Judge not, that ye be not judged. (2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? (5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
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So the Bible itself is calling Winans a hypocrite. Ms. Grace was clearly pure of heart and had a Godly mind-set when first, began to take her son to attend church, and then, made the conscious decision to have her son blessed by what she thought was a “man of God.” So it is indeed ironic that she had to go to church to be greeted by ignorance and evil. Listen to the words of one God-fearing, good, and loving Christian. She posted as Tia on the “Old Black Church” website:

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“. . .let the word of god be true, and every man a liar. Romans 3
I agree with pastor Winan’s decision. This epidemic in our community has gotten out of hand. As my grand mother used to say in the old church “somebody’s got to have some sense”. People continue vicious destructive cycles because no one stands up and says the behavior is wrong,” the emperor has no clothes.” Instead of running to the news trying to embarrass pastor Winans, she should have trimmed the bushes and grass in front of her nasty home that she allows the baby to exist in. Black women’s priorities are totally messed up. Instead of taking care of the home, shes out trying to run up in churches showing off the number one sin (not the child, he’s innocent and blessed already, . .UNTIL THE PARENTS MESS THEM UP) that impacts our community in a negative way. This woman is almost 40 yrs old (not a teen pregnancy “mistake” by any means). She should know better, but she doesn’t. And she doesn’t try and get teaching and understanding from the church as to WHY they have to have a standard, and not kow tow to any and everything. No, she has to like a devil, strike a match and walk away. Now the only thing pastor didn’t do that he should have is get on NATIONAL news and give these baby makers reason why he will not allow his church and the body of Christ to be taken over by these selfish, show off, want to be seen, attention seekers, pageantry seeking harlots to use the church as a showplace.

I can see it now, Sunday service 10 or 12 women parading their multitude of “dressed up” kids across the front because you know once something catches on with black women, it becomes a fad and takes over until it is ruined. Like our communities, school systems, neighborhoods, welfare systems are being ruined by this trifling behavior. The babies are “cute ” until a certain age then turned out into the streets to become society and jails problems. We can’t afford to continue ignorance breeding ignorance. Now after its messed up society, they want to infiltrate the CHURCH. The rules have been set. Abide by them and learn. She doesn’t know she’s the one who looks like a fool, not Pastor Winans. He made his bones, and its still HIS bones, not hers. Guess she has to take her mess to a church that puts up with it. Leave normal people who stand for something alone. God will NOT allow the devil to take over his house . I CAST THEE OUT!!!!!!!!!!! . . .”I cast thee out.”


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If that’s one of his loving, God-fearing Christians, the reverend’s obviously not doing a very good job. I haven’t heard that kind of mean-spirited, un-Godly, viciousness since I witnessed two dope fiends fighting over a crack pipe in the parking lot of fire ravaged pool hall. But considering the reverend’s reckless approach to scripture, I can fully understand how his flock would have something less than a perfect grasp of what it means to be a Christian. What the lady fails to understand is, if everybody who has had sex outside of marriage had to leave that church, there wouldn’t be enough members left to throw a card party – and I’d be willing to bet that she and the good reverend would be among the first of those who’d have to escorted out the door. That’s generally how things work with self-righteous hypocrites.  But the most important thing that she fails to realize is the reverend is suppose to me disseminating the word of God, not the word of Winans. Disciples of God are suppose to be humble servants, not pompous, self-righteous dictators. So, ironically, it seems that, in this case, the only one that was acting in a Godly fashion was the one that the church turned away, Ms. Charity Grace.
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But unfortunately, it seems that hypocrisy is not be so much the exception as it is the rule in this country. True Christians seem to be exceedingly rare in this country. The primary reason for that is Christianity as practiced in the United States was founded upon hypocrisy. Americans tend to believe in a redacted version of the Bible. The true meaning of American exceptionalism is that we have a firm and fundamental belief in everything in the Bible EXCEPT those things that tend to interfere with our particular form of bigotry.
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It’s no accident that what we refer to as “The Bible Belt” is renowned for being the most bigoted and intolerant region in this country. The reason for that is the religious community is the perfect environment for social bigots. Because under the umbrella of religion, bigots are free to hate in the name of God: “It’s not that I hate everybody who don’t look, think, and act like me – it’s just that God does.”
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It’s exactly that kind of mentality that made it possible for “Love thy neighbor,” and “Lynch thy nigga,” to comfortably coexist in the South without a shred of guilt or cognitive dissonance. They simply ignore or contort anything in the Bible that doesn’t fit comfortably into their delusion of reality.

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Another example of that is how preachers routinely ignore the Biblical’s prescription that we pray in private, and that they not strut around in $1200 suits and roll around in Escalades. Again, the Bible is clear. It says that those who run around praying out loud for public consumption is getting their reward right here on Earth:
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Matthew 6:1-34
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“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. …”

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But again, these preachers and Bible thumpers aren’t about to let a little thing like “the word of God” interfere with their false sense of righteous superiority, and their money-making potential.
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Thus, while spirituality and the belief in a force greater than yourself is a good thing, the problem with organized religion is that man has set himself up as God’s emissary and Chief Operations Officer. So in the final analysis, what we end up calling “faith,” is not faith in God at all; it’s faith in man, and what they tell us about God. Thus, many so-called Christians, like the “lady” who commented above, are not worshiping God, they’re worshiping preachers, like the good Rev. Winans.   But as the current matter clearly demonstrates, these peachers have neither the wisdom, knowledge, intelligence, nor morality, to speak for God.

 

 
Staff Writer; Eric L. Wattree
 
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11 Responses to “Rev. Marvin Winans: Don’t Just Preach Us A Sermon, Live Us One.”
  1. I just stumbled across this article, I don’t know how old it is, but I want to leave a comment and share 1 testimony. I don’t understand why Pastor Winans refused to bless the child on a Sunday, but he has to take a stand for what he believe. Even if others think he is wrong.

    Some years back a woman came to the church I attended, who met with the Pastor previously to have her son blessed during Sunday morning service. She had three other older children and wasn’t married at the time. After the Pastor blessed her son, he prayed for the other children and the mother. She gave her heart to the Lord. Later, she and her children joined the church. She hardly ever missed a bible study or a prayer session and opened her home for Friday night prayer meetings. Over the years she worked on various groups in the church and assisted in establishing a homeless ministry. She and her daughter are deacons and about 3 years ago she graduated from bible college.

    We became very closed friends, one day while sharing about the goodness of God
    she told me she didn’t came for salvation, but to have her son blessed, however, she is very grateful to God for saving and delivering her. Amen!

  2. Sherrod Joyce says:

    I just have to ask why did she have to take this to the news? i scratch my head on that. i dont disagree with Pastor winans we have to take a stand and if his policy was their before she ever knew that church existed then why should he change it for this one child. Now on the other hand i pray that she will have the faith that she doesnt need pastor winans blessing of the children this is why Jesus died so we have a direct relationship with the Father. as we all mature we will begin to know that.

  3. Papacool says:

    Suffer not the little children to come unto me is what Jesus cited. For such is the Kingdom of Heaven. As humans, we always make the simple harder than what is was meant to be. How can a child be responsible for the irresponsible behavior that resulted in he/she being born? The child is an innocent by product and does not deserve to be punished for the sin of the parent(s). Actions such as this have served to make people feel a high disregard for the Church. All kinds of ill ideas have crept into the Church and has attempted to tarnish God’s Word in making compromises in the Gospel. Those that have a ear to hear will hear and do accordingly. Brother Winans has lost his mind in establishing his own interpretation of how to carry out the mission of indoctrination. But knowing that we have all fallen short does not make this type of treatment right. I pray that one day this action will be thought out and the right thing will be done. Accept people as they are, as whosoever will let them come. God will be the ultimate judge in all things and we need to let Him have His way. Peace out, Papacool.

  4. Denise Day says:

    Jesus stated that He came to save the lost! I believe that we have taken the church and changed it to our own personal social club. You see, the church is a hospital for those who need healing, deliverance and to be set free from the bondage of sin. I personally thank God for The Church Of God, in Plainfield N.J. They opened their doors as well as their arms to a drug dealer as well as a user. And because of their obedience to the call of evangelism, they came out and told me about a man who loved me just where I was, They told me that i didn’t have to wait until i changed and that He would meet me right where i was. So today, 25 yrs. later, I have been ordained and i now Pastor, The Well Worship Center, under the leadership of Apostle Sharon Lincoln. I gave my life to Jesus, the first Sunday in Nov. 1989. And it has been a journey. So do we turn people away from the House Of God? You answer that!

  5. ROBERT says:

    THE problem is there is no one CHRISTIANITY it varies from one church to another.

    IT all depends on interpretation of the bible and that decision is made by the pastors.

    SO what CHRISTIANS end up following is their pastors interpretation of the bible.

    THEREFORE the end result is that you end up following a man who has all the attributes of a man both strengths and weaknesses.

    IN today’s decadent and corrupt world a CHURCH will be lucky to find a uncontaminated pastor.

    IF you find that you cannot control the behavior of a abhorrent pastor ; you have to find the strength to get up and leave that CHURCH.

    P.S TO the black CHRISTIANS out there it is a group of your brothers and sisters who are trying to save the black CHURCH from certain destruction and you can find then at [PIMPPREACHER.COM] and don’t laugh!

  6. jdgwisd says:

    As Christians, we have not evolved. If we, who are supposed to be the followers of Jesus the Christ, really took the time to explore the humanity, the spiritual love that Jesus had for all members of society, the favorite Christian CHURCH sport, Judging others, would be a piece of a dream. However, to paraphrase a comedic line from Chris Rock, “there are Church folk, and there are Christians, and I hate Church Folk.” I do not blame any race of people who criticize Black America for we have made ourselves carictures with our lack of professional and personal ethics. I’ve met more honest homeless people than preachers, and I trust homeless people more.

  7. Wattree says:

    What’s so ironically stupid about this situation is if the mother or the father of the child – the people who committed the so-called “sin” – would have presented themselves before the church to be blessed, they would have been received with open arms.

  8. Wattree says:

    NorthernMagnolia,

    Matthew 7:1-5 of the King James version of the Holy Bible is very emphatic in saying the following:
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    “(1)Judge not, that ye be not judged. (2) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (3) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? (4) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? (5) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
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    In addition, I’ve been told that Rev. Winans himself has had a child outside of wedlock. He’s also divorced. That’s not Biblical either. And according to the Bible, strutting your righteousness before the church is in itself un-Godly:
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    Matthew 6:1-34
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    “Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. …”

  9. NorthernMagnolia says:

    The sad part about this whole thing: a “blessing” from Rev. Winans does not mean anything. Rev. Winans is no less and no more a priest of God than any other Christian, so this whole thing ends up being about who gets granted (or denied) public recognition for the way they have chosen to live. It does need to be said that Rev. Winans’ staff handled Ms. Grace’s request privately when she inquired privately, and she got the public recognition she wanted by making a public stink out of a private matter.

    Just as a matter of record; the Lord Jesus did indeed receive publicans and sinners, but also challenged their sinful behavior. To the woman taken in adultery, He said He did not condemn her, but He also said, “Go and sin no more.” To the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4, He called her out outright: “You have had seven husbands, and the man who you are living with is not your husband.” So, if Rev. Winans really was following the example of Christ, Ms. Grace might have not gotten the public recognition she thought she and her child deserved, but instead, with the blessing of the child, a public challenge of her choice to produce that child out of wedlock and a challenge for her not to produce another child that way– and Rev. Winans would have been Biblical.

    But instead, Rev. Winans is following a different Biblical example: when Joseph found out that Mary was pregnant, he determined to take care of the matter privately — although Joseph did not need to follow through because of the specific circumstance of the Lord Jesus’ immaculate conception, the example is worth noting. Rev. Winans’ team did not let Ms. Grace go through the process of signing up and then being publicly humiliated; they let her know in private that her sinful behavior put her outside the scope of the church’s public policy, but offered a private option that still would have accomplished the same purpose (because Rev. Rideout is as much of a man of God as Rev. Winans) — but that was not good enough for Ms. Grace, so she put herself and everyone else on blast, in a move that was anything but Biblical.

    One more thing: doing things publicly is often taken for promoting and approving the things done. It is not unreasonable for a church to promote God’s holiness and His plan for sex and reproduction up front in its public ceremonies — no other organization in the world will do so if the church does not. Rev. Winans is therefore well within Biblical bounds to promote marriage and family — which is God’s design — in what he does publicly in the church he leads. It would be kinder if he also did the private ceremonies too, for that would show he is deeply in tune with God’s forgiveness and love also. God does not deny His holy presence, in its fullness, to anyone Who wishes to come to Him for salvation and forgiveness.

  10. Satchel says:

    “The rules have been set. Abide by them and learn.” I can’t say that I disagree with preacher Winans position on blessing children (what ever that means). I would think that is his prerogative. According to Ms. Grace the church did offer to bless the child in a private ritual bless, by another church official. Would the blessing be any less affective if performed by some other man of god. Preacher W.J. Rideout,would be happy to bless the child and welcome another dues paying member to his Congregation.

  11. Shala Marks says:

    When I first heard of this I was very disappointed. Pastor Winans is extremely prominent and could really set an example here of how “true” Christians are to act and treat others. We are to demonstrate Christ in our decision making, and this is a very poor decision. Jesus didn’t come for the “saved” and “pure,” he came for sinners. Jesus sat with the lame, the blind, the mute and deaf. He sat with lepers and harlots, not with the pharisees who walked around falsely proclaiming to live for God.

    Matt. 19:14 says, “Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Jesus openly rebuked his disciples when they first tried to turn little children away from him. How can Pastor Winans turn away a child when Jesus didn’t?

    Instead of choosing not to “bless” the woman’s son, why not pray for him and bless him so that he can hopefully grown up with the right mindset and become a true man of God so he won’t subject a woman to what his father subjected their family to? (a single-parent home). If Winans feels so strongly about unwed mothers, why not pray for them too instead of pushing them away? No, God does not approve of fornication, but He also forgives sins. That unwed mother is STILL His daughter whom He loves dearly and He does not hold her past against her…what authority does Winans have to do this?

    I understand Winans wants to show his church is standing on the biblical principle of not fornicating and doesn’t want to conform or accept the “norm” even when it goes against the bible, as a lot of churches do today, but this is NOT the way to do it. You don’t uphold one part of the law while breaking another. You don’t attempt to follow Jesus and do right while turning away “sinners.” Saving souls is the sole purpose of the new covenant and is the sole responsibility Jesus extended to all His disciples before going to heaven.

    Winans needs to do better.

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